Hey, Greg,
I am not a part of Church and Change Leadership. I went to one conference a few years ago and had my own reservations. Also, Robert Timmerman does not serve as a church council pres at our church. You are lying on your blog.
Don
Donald Patterson
kududon@gmail.com
12-10-08
subject: Don't be a fool
sent to BethanyLutheranWorship@gmail.com
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GJ - I don't look at my gmail very often, as readers can see. Someone could have created a gmail account and sent this. In fact, one of his cronies could have. I looked up "kudu" and found this site. So I think Kudu Don Patterson sent the email.
This email does remind me of typical WELS evasion tactics -avoid the main point and call someone a liar on a trivial, debatable matter.
Does VP Patterson soak up synod money by asking for grants to pay for his vicars? Yes.
Does VP Patterson support Rock and Roll Church? Yes.
Did VP Patterson take Chad White (on his parish staff) and others to the Exponential Conference? Yes.
Did Stelljes, son of a member of Holy Word, also attend that pan-denominational conference? Yes.
Did other WELS workers attend that conference? Yes.
Was Brother Stetzer a featured speaker at Exponential? Yes.
Was Babtist Stetzer hired to speak to Church and Change's 2009 conference soon after? Yes.
Did Church and Change start lying about Stetzer? Yes - so much that one of my sources got rattled about whether it was true or not. I posted three separate proofs that Stetzer was hired in August - all from Stetzer himself. It was up to Church and Change to prove otherwise. SP Schroeder said Stetzer is an issue, so who is lying?
Is Timmerman a leader at Patterson's church? Yes. Timmerman is also on the WELS governing board. (I am not the parish or synodical secretary, so terms of office are not in my job description.) If Patterson wants to pretend Timmerman is not involved in Church and Change, as he also pretends - many know otherwise. Does he want to suggest Timmerman, who must bankroll the African safaris, is not a parish leader?
So, is Patterson a stealth leader of Church and Change?
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":
Good for Patterson. You lie and tell half-truths all the time, mostly to make yourself look good.
[GJ - Confidential to Joe - I don't think you should post anonymously when Patteson arranges for Rock and Roll to have more grant money. Conflict of interest and all that. Does it bother you that he took a crew to hear Brother Stetzer and a bunch of false teachers at Exponential?]
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GJ - What was your name? I didn't catch it.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":
Ignore Don's jackals.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":
I'm glad that you can make such sweeping inferences about someone, especially when some of your bellowing is patently false... although that matters not to you. Well guess what Greg? Because of your half-truths, your carelessness and your downright vile-ness, most of us care little about you except to pray for your soul. That is the Christian thing to do, No, wait, I'm sure that is way too pietistic for you because it would mean to show concern for someone. Well, we'll keep praying for you (and all the others you are fomenting hatred within) and you enjoy your little self-serve perish (that wasn't a typo).
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GJ - Don's jackals care so little that they stop by every day to bite and chew. Too bad they are toothless. I would be bitter and angry too - if I spent my career promoting Babtist theology...if I ended ended up with a non-pastor (Ed Stetzer) as guest speaker, a hot-air merchant so pathetic he has to claim "two doctorates" (false) and "two master's degrees" (so what) on every bio.
Church and Chicanery is losing ground. All they have to offer is a pack of lies. The trouble with the first set of deceptions is that they need another set to cover for them.
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For months they have claimed - More information is coming soon. They need to wake up the webmaster or tell the truth about Stetzer.
Joe Krohn, one of their ovine followers, could not get the truth from them on their own list-serve.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":
When did he call you a fool?
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GJ - When? The subject line of the email. I am not offended, but pleased. The feathers fly when the arrow reaches the mark. VP Patterson's behavior is typical of WELS Church Growth leaders. They do not repent and apologize - they accuse and slander and deceive. That is why I call the headquarters buildings The Love Shack - since most of the drones there talk love, and conversion via love, but exhibit nothing but spite and hated.
