How many noticed that the fake Ichabod had a lot of material supporting UOJ? That definitely came from a pastor, because laymen do not sit around trying to defend something no one can comprehend. I thought perhaps the author kelmed it from a pastoral source, but more likely a pastor forged the blog.
The Shrinkers in WELS are especially smitten with UOJ, and why not? Fuller has trained people in anti-confessionalism, hiding the denominational identity. In WELS, they love Babtists who cannot admit to being Babtists. Someone has to do a little research to find out Andy Stanley dedicates but does not baptize infants.
Ditto Purpose-Driven Rick Warren, (DMin, Fuller, just like Larry Oh!). Mrs. Ichabod and I heard him speak, that is, tell lame jokes. And we saw his immersion pond outside.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Loving Pigs: Forgiveness Without Faith (UOJ) and E...":
Good morning Pastor GJ! We are not justified before faith. We are not justified without faith. The Atonement is not justification.(objective justification is a fabricated word)"Faith Alone" justifies.
The Book Of Concord has been quoted many times by GJ, Brett , DK, myself, and others. So, I would like to share with the readers something else. In the book, "Here I Stand A Life Of Martin Luther", the author provides us with an interesting clarification concerning Luther's own words.
"There is the famous example where Luther rendered "justification by faith" as "justification by faith alone." When taken to task for this liberty, he replied that he was not translating words but ideas, and that the extra word was necessary in German in order to bring out the force in the original. Through all the revisions of his lifetime he would never relinguish that word "alone"."
Why are many relinguishing the word. No place does Luther ever use the term "universal justification." Knapp used the term, which was borrowed from the pietistic writers. The same example of borrowing that I used on a previous comment. For instance Koehler was influenced by Dr. C.H. Little.
Again, one has to always return to Scripture and the BOC. FIC articles should be read with caution( Yes, there are some very fine pieces in FIC [GJ - Schroeder's and...?] and "incharestin" pieces as well.)
In Christ,
from WELS church lady
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GJ - You have denied Universal Oinkjective Justification!
I knew Roland Bainton, the author of Here I Stand. He posed with Little Ichabod twice, and he drew pictures for us. Here is the last greeting card he sent us.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Loving Pigs: Forgiveness Without Faith (UOJ) and E...":
I think WELS should drop the two doctrines of justification. It really serves no purpose since there is no salvation without faith. But then what would you jokers carry on about? You'd find something.
Plankless
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GJ - There is always "Party in the MLC" to discuss. How about 50 more comments on that?
Now that the props are being yanked out from under UOJ, the knotty problem is suddenly not worth discussing. Wood that be what you are saying, Plankless?
Does a doctrinal debate go against your grain?
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dk has left a new comment on your post "Loving Pigs: Forgiveness Without Faith (UOJ) and E...":
The question is: who don't you know?
You knew Bainton???
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GJ - Bainton was retired at Yale but still lecturing when I was there. People packed his lectures. I did a biographical summary of his life while he was alive, writing to his most famous students. They all contributed and that was placed at the Yale library. One student was the Roman Catholic bishop who marched in the religious service with Erling Teigen at Bethany Lutheran College. Small world?
On one trip we made a point of visiting him at his office at Yale's Sterling Library.
Bainton offered to do some xeroxing for me when I was working on my dissertation. He said he would copy parts of his book about Yale and the Ministry and send it to me.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Loving Pigs: Forgiveness Without Faith (UOJ) and E...":
"How many noticed that the fake Ichabod had a lot of material supporting UOJ? That definitely came from a pastor, because laymen do not sit around trying to defend something no one can comprehend."
I am a layperson. Is the above comment intended to insult the spiritual maturity of laymen? Or is it intended to illustrate the tendency of called workers, you included, to argue points that "no one can comprehend."? Laypeople can and do contribute to the spread of the Gospel.
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GJ - I meant to reflect upon the clergy. Look at LutherQuest (sic), where pastors posture 24/7. They have successfully avoided any real issues while bickering about small points. If Jay Webber, Rolf Preus, and the rest understood the Book of Concord, they would repudiated Church Growth and UOJ.
The WELS clergy now starting to opposed CGism were the same ones who ran away from the topic 20 years ago, locked in a room "for fear of the Judaizers."
In contrast, I find the laity keen on doctrine, discerning about the clear, plain words of Scripture. Many laity have contacted me and worked through the documents about UOJ and CG.
Perhaps the laity can force some issues into the open. Some are not convinced that Holy Mother Synod is infallible and indefectible.
