Sunday, October 10, 2010

Augustine on Justification




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Another question for you: Do you agree with Augustine's understanding of Romans 5:18 (From His Anti-Pelagian writings: On the merits of Forgiveness of Sins, and on the baptism of Infants, chapter 19)

"Hence the terms “all men” and “all men.” For not they who are generated through Adam are actually the very same as those who are regenerated through Christ; but yet the language of the apostle is strictly correct, because as none partakes of carnal generation except through Adam, so no one shares in the spiritual except through Christ. For if any could be generated in the flesh, yet not by Adam; and if in like manner any could be generated in the Spirit, and not by Christ; clearly “all” could not be spoken of either in the one class or in the other. But these “all” the apostle afterwards describes as “many;” for obviously, under certain circumstances, the “all” may be but a few. The carnal generation, however, embraces “many,” and the spiritual generation also includes “many;” although the “many” of the spiritual are less numerous than the “many” of the carnal. But as the one embraces all men whatever, so the other includes all righteous men; because as in the former case none can be a man without the carnal generation, so in the other class no one can be a righteous man without the spiritual generation; in both instances, therefore, there are” many:” “For as by the disobedience of one man many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

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GJ - Luther said the same thing, although I have lost track of the citation for the moment.

I agree. All have sinned, through Adam. All who are justified are justified through Christ.

The UOJ boys start with the official synod line and search for ways to crowbar Scripture and Confessions into their double justification template. Now that Knapp is identified as a pre-Walther double justification advocate, the UOJ clan wants to stretch their opinion over the previously identified OJ and SJ.

They always talked double justification before. That is how mind-control cults work: re-education must take place every few months.