Saturday, April 6, 2024

The Gory That Was LutherQuest Is Of Another Day

 

Jack Kilcrease S.J., born WELS and educated in the ALC/LCA, became famous on Ichabod for erasing his latest comments. When his comments were saved permanently above the chat area, he could no longer hide his thoughts and departed. We still  miss ya, Jack.



Rolf David Preus (Rolf)
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Once upon a time, Luther Quest was the place to go for serious theological conversation on the worldwide web. Those days are gone. It was good while it lasted.
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Erich Heidenreich (Erich)
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I agree, and it doesn't seem to have been replaced by any other venue - at least not anything I have been able to find.
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Rick Strickert (Carlvehse)
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The decline in comments on LCMS doctrinal controversies on blogs like LQ and elsewhere was foreseen following the Reporter article about CCM Opinion 13-1665, "Fellowship of Peers" which led to Report 65-G (2013 Convention Workbook, pp. 306-7), which led to Resolution 12-07A (2016 Convention Proceedings, p. 227, adopted 684 to 244), which resulted in the LCMS Bylaw 1.8, Dissent 'gag order' (2016 LCMS Handbook, p. 37).

Scott Diekmann's July 18, 2016, flowchart explained this process that now curtails LCMS pastors from discussing theological controversies within the LCMS with the laity on internet blogs and elsewhere.

Talk to CUW Prof. Gregory Schulz for what can happen if you do.
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I have wondered if the rise of Facebook had something to do with the decline of Luther Quest.
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Steve (Sschmidt)
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Yes.

Both Rev. Engelbrecht and I believe Jack Kilcrease S.J. are involved in large Lutheran discussion groups on Facebook.

Alpb seems to be grinding to a halt as well.
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From the internets:

The most popular social media platforms in 2024

The top four most popular social media platforms in the world are Facebook, YouTube, WhatsApp, and Instagram. TikTok comes in at six, but X (formerly known as Twitter) is number 15 and LinkedIn isn't even on there.

Basically, you need to start a Lutheran Facebook group. Or join one that already exists.

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More Free Books from Lutheran Library - Alec Satin - Lutheran Library Publishing Ministry

 

Here is a tiny selection of many rare and worthwhile books.

Daily Luther Sermon Quote - Sunday after Easter - "Therefore Christ’s meaning is: Ye shall have the power to speak the Word, and to preach the Gospel, saying, Whosoever believeth, has the remission of his sins; but whosoever believeth not, has no remission of sin. But ye have not the power to create faith."


 

Complete Sermon -> The First Sunday after Easter

Now it is always true, if Christ speaks a word, since he is Lord over sin and hell, and says to you: Thy sins are forgiven; then they must be forgiven and nothing can prevent it. Again, if he says: Thy sins shall not be forgiven thee; then they remain unforgiven, so that neither you, nor an angel, nor a saint, nor any creature, can forgive your sin, even if you martyred yourself to death.


16. This same power belongs to every Christian, since Christ has made us all partakers of his power and dominion; and here his is not a civil but a spiritual rule, and his Christians also rule spiritually. For he does not say: This city, this country, this bishopric or kingdom you shall rule, as the pope does; but he says: Ye shall have power to forgive and to retain sins. Hence this power pertains to the conscience, so that by virtue of God’s Word I can pass judgment as to what the conscience can cleave to, so that against and above that no creature can do anything, neither sin, nor the world nor Satan. This is true power. But thereby no power is given me to rule over temporal matters, over a country and people, externally after the manner of civil governments, but a much higher and nobler power, which can in no sense be compared with it.

17. Therefore we shall thank God, that we now know the great power and glory given us through Christ in his plain Word, as St. Paul also highly praises and extols it to the Ephesians, saying: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.” Ephesians 1:3. And again: “God made us alive together with Christ, and raised us up with him, and made us sit with him in heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus: for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, that no man should glory. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.” Ephesians 2:5-10.

18. Observe, what great transcendent comfort we have in that God awakens in us also the same power he exercises in Christ, and bestows upon us equal authority. As he made him sit in heavenly places, above all power and might, and everything that can be named; so has he invested us also with the same power, that those who believe have all power over heaven and earth. This we have in the words he left behind him; and they are so powerful, that when they are spoken by us, they avail as much as if he himself were on earth and spake them in the majesty and glory in which he now exists. And this is the power we have from his resurrection and ascension; there he gives us power to kill and to make alive, to consign to the devil and to rescue from him.

19. But in this matter one must proceed carefully, and not do like the popes. For they have reached the point to have the power, that however and whatever they say, so it must be, because they say it. Nay, this power you have not, but the divine Majesty alone has. it. They say thus: If the pope speaks a word and says: Thy sins are forgiven thee, they are blotted out, even though you neither repent nor believe. They mean by this, that they have the power to bestow and withhold heaven, to open or shut it, to locate one in heaven or cast into hell; far from it that it should be so. For from this it would then follow that our salvation depended on the works, authority and power of man. Therefore, since this is in conflict with all the Scriptures it can not be true that when you open or shut, it must be open or shut.

20. Therefore we must rightly understand Christ when he says: “Whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained ;” that this does not establish the power of him who speaks but of those who believe. Now the power of him who speaks and of him who believes are as far apart as heaven and earth.

God has given us the Word and the authority to speak; but it does not therefore follow from this that it must so be done, as Christ also preached and taught the Word, and yet not all who heard it believed, and it was not everywhere done as he spake the Word, although it was God’s Word.

Therefore Christ’s meaning is: Ye shall have the power to speak the Word, and to preach the Gospel, saying, Whosoever believeth, has the remission of his sins; but whosoever believeth not, has no remission of sin. But ye have not the power to create faith. For there is a great difference between planting and giving the growth; as Paul says to the Corinthians: “I planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.” 1 Corinthians 3:6. Hence we have no authority to rule as lords; but to be servants and ministers who shall preach the Word, by means of which we incite people to believe.

Therefore, if you believe the Word, you gain this power; but if you believe not, then what I speak or preach will avail nothing even though it be God’s Word; and if you believe not these words you are not treating me but God himself with dishonor and contempt.

21. Therefore, unbelief is nothing but blasphemy, which makes God a liar. For if I say, your sins are forgiven you in God’s name, and you believe it not, it is the same as if you said: who knows whether it be true, and whether he be in earnest? by this you charge God and his Word with lying. Therefore you better be far from the Word, if you believe it not. For when a man preaches his Word, God would have it as highly esteemed as if he himself had preached it. This then is the power given by God. which every Christian has, and of which we have already spoken much and often; hence this is enough for the present.

More ELCA for the Watherian Four - LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic)

 

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As we wrap up our series on Queer Lutheran Families, we're sharing an anonymous blog about a polyamorous family. We've decided to share this anonymously because ELCA policy would endanger the call of a person in a polyamorous, or ethically nonmonogamous relationship. And yet these relationships can be beautiful examples of the love and care of a Triune God who is relationship. So, we invite you to read the following with an open heart for where the Spirit might be leading the Church.

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During the pandemic, I moved halfway across the country to be with the person I love, but if you asked me, it was because I had family in the state and community in the city that I moved to. Why couldn’t I be open and honest? Because the ELCA still has a policy that clergy cannot “cohabitate”. So terrified of sexual joy and liberation, and the prerequisite conversations, the ELCA has just decided sex in marriage=always good, sex outside marriage=always bad, and spending the hours between 12am and 7am together in a house, apartment, or room are the only times to have sex and sex will definitely happen then. I’m not actually sure I know anyone for whom the above guidelines for sex are 100% accurate.  

Why haven’t I been public about my current relationship? Well, aside from the fact that we are living together (strike one), my partner has another partner who also lives with us.

As someone who practices relationship anarchy, I deeply value the many different relationships I have, from my biological family to my chosen family; from sexual and romantic relationships to platonic ones; from best friends to my relationship with their kids. All of these relationships matter to me and one is not placed above the other (as our culture requires for cisheteronormative monogamy). When I do get married, I won’t be marrying my best friend because I already have one (a few actually). 

But even then, the ELCA requires legal marriage for relationships to count and may be codifying it, depending on how the Sexuality Statement revisions play out. So what do we do? Already people don’t understand when I talk about living with other adults in shared housing. They don’t seem to understand the financial need for shared housing due to out-of-control rental and housing costs. They also don’t seem to understand the particularly queer nature of chosen family. Right now our household includes me, my partner, their other partner, my partner’s sister, and her girlfriend. We share a house because it’s a financial necessity and because we are chosen family together.  Because “we rise together.”

We are family. We give each other rides to work, plan our groceries together, argue about dishes, and wish everyone would leave our bathroom shelf alone. We cover each other when one is short on rent and together plan on how to support our elderly parents in the twilight of their lives. Our porch is where we have family meetings, we plan for the future, and we dream about getting a dog. 

Things will change and we will eventually be able to be public about our love and commitments to each other. For now, we rest in our shared relationships and the ways we are able to be out in our neighborhood and among our close friends and family.


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QUEER ELCA PASTRIX ORDAINED WITH DRAG QUEEN NUNS WHILE JENNIFER KNAPP SERENADES

 




QUEER ELCA PASTRIX ORDAINED WITH DRAG QUEEN NUNS WHILE JENNIFER KNAPP SERENADES


In what has to be the strangest title for a post we’ve ever written, we wanted to bring you this story in case you ever wondered how “different” the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has become.

It’s the tale of the ordination of Pastrix Dawn Bennet into the ELCA, and the celebration surrounding that most cursed of days.

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This was a special day for her, as one might imagine. There were all sorts of pomp and pageantry on display in what will probably go down as one of the most unique services ever.

On one side of the sanctuary, a black choir belted out gospel tunes. On another, 10 drag queens dressed as nuns, The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, sat and cheered. These performers are an LGBT protest group that uses ” religious imagery to call attention to sexual intolerance and satirizes issues of gender and morality.”

The lecterns (those who read the scripture for everyone) were comprised of a “pagan wiccan priest who loves Jesus,” an agnostic best friend, and a gay pastor.

While they took communion, Jennifer Knapp (yes, that one) sung some of her “old stuff” over them. Communion occurred while wearing her rainbow colored sneakers- holy shoes that she only wears while she preaches to remind herself of the necessity of radical LGBT inclusion.