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WELS church lady has left a new comment on your post "Don't Bring a Box of Chocolates to a Knife Fight":
National WELS Women's Leadership conference-July 16-17: This is being advertised in everything.(including Parish School News Letters) Please listen!! This is NOT LWMS. This is Part of Church And Change. Look it up. Mark and avoid Church And Change groups.
In Christ,
from WELS church lady
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GJ - WELS Church and Change entities include:
1. The Sausage Factory in Mequon.
2. Mary Lou College in New Ulm.
3. Willowcreek's Little College, Milwaukee.
4. Forward in Christ.
5. Kingdom Workers.
6. Both synodical mission boards.
7. Jeske's Missouri media ministry.
8. The Conference of Pussycats, notably the Wisconsin Circuit.
9. Church and Change - The Mother Ship.
Denominations advance apostasy by having training and inspirational events where the new fad is promoted slowly and persistently. The in-crowd makes sure they are represented while flying into a rage if the wrong person is even considered as a speaker.
WELS already has women pastors, so quit murmuring. They have consecrating and distributed Holy Communion. They not only preside over worship but get invited to speak at Mary Lou about how they are getting away with it. I realize the Latte Lady Pastor got her speaking invite quashed, but she is still there and the congregation has a vicar - a definite sign of DP approval.
Wake up and smell the latte. This is exactly how the LCA/ALC instituted women's ordination the same way. WELS skipped ordination and just started having women pastors. Next they will study the issue and find it is a very good thing, but also an adiaphoron. Everything is an adiaphoron in WELS. Except UOJ and CG.
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Grey Goose wrote:
The Church Lady's admonition to look up the conference worked.
Here is the link: http://www.welswomen.net/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=180009471&sec_id=180002756&nc=1273594535894
Scrolling down, I came upon the name Sally Vallesky. Wife (or daughter) of one of your favorites?
Of course, Kathy Wendland is involved.
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GJ - Be sure to see the countdown, which includes milliseconds! Gasp.
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GJ - Be sure to see the countdown, which includes milliseconds! Gasp.
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WELS calls Scriptures teaching on women in the church a gray area. Fortunately the Lutheran Confession and Luther himself do not.
Here are some quotes from Luther which speak to the subject of women's roles in the church.
"Rather, priesthood and power have to be there first, brought from baptism and common to all Christians through the faith which builds them upon Christ the true high priest, as St. Peter says
here. But to exercise such power and to put it to work is not every man’s business. Only he who is called by the common assembly, or the man representing the assembly’s order and will, does this work in the stead of and as the representative of the common assembly and power." Page 3, second full paragraph
"Mostly the functions of a priest are these: to teach, to preach and proclaim the Word of God, to baptize, to consecrate or administer the Eucharist, to bind and loose sins, to pray for others, to
sacrifice, and to judge of all doctrine and spirits. Certainly these are splendid and royal duties. But the first and foremost of all on which everything else depends, is the teaching of the Word of
God. For we teach with the Word, we consecrate with the Word, we bind and absolve sins by the Word, we baptize with the Word, we sacrifice with the Word, we judge all things by the Word. Therefore when we grant the Word to anyone, we cannot deny anything to him pertaining to the exercise of his priesthood." Page 7, first full paragraph
"Now you might say: “What kind of situation will arise if it is true that we are all priests and should all preach [1 Peter 2:5]? Should no distinction be made among the people, and should the women, too, be priests?” Answer: In the New Testament no priest has to be tonsured. Not that this is evil in itself, for one surely has the right to have the head shaved clean. But one should not make a distinction between those who do so and the common Christian. Faith cannot tolerate this. Thus those who are now called priests would all be laymen like the others, and only a few officiants would be elected by the congregation to do the preaching. Thus there is only an external difference because of the office to which one is called by the congregation. Before God, however, there is no distinction, and only a few are selected from the whole group to administer the office in the stead of the congregation. They all have the office, but nobody has any more authority than the other person has. Therefore nobody should come forward of his own accord and preach in the congregation. No, one person must be chosen from the whole group and appointed."Page 8, first full paragraph
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"As St. Paul says in Gal. 3:28, you must pay no attention to distinctions when you want to look at Christians. You must not say: “This is a man or a woman; this is a servant or a master; this
person is old or young.” They are all alike and only a spiritual people. Therefore they are all priests. All may proclaim God’s Word, except that, as St. Paul teaches in 1 Cor. 14:34, women
should not speak in the congregation. They should let the men preach, because God commands them to be obedient to their husbands. God does not interfere with the arrangement. But he makes no distinction in the matter of authority." Page 8, first full paragraph
"But in the New Testament the Holy Spirit, speaking through St. Paul, ordained that women should be silent in the churches and assemblies [I Cor. 14:34], and said that this is the Lord’s commandment. Yet he knew that previously Joel [2:28 f.] had proclaimed that God would pour out his Spirit also on handmaidens. Furthermore, the four daughters of Philip prophesied (Acts
21[:9]). But in the congregations or churches where there is a ministry women are to be silent and not preach [I Tim. 2:12]. Otherwise they may pray, sing, praise, and say “Amen,” and read at home, teach one another, exhort, comfort, and interpret the Scriptures as best they can." Page 15, first paragraph
http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/djw/LutherGenderMinistry.pdf
Wanted submissive women who take orders and cheerfully do the work of their slothful male counterparts. COUNT ME OUT!
Ayne, Christ declares in Scripture:
Colossians 3:18-20, Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:22-28, Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Brett,
I was talking about the National WELS Women's Leadership conference - July 16-17. I am not going to do the work of a pastor and give him credit for it while he sits back and masterminds what I should do next.
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