We cannot predict the future very well, but we can certainly study the past. The Ovaltines - ALPB Online Forum - have preserved their discussions about big events. I thought they skipped the 2009 ELCA vote, but I found it on the list. This is the link to all the discussions about the 2009 ELCA Convention.
One person observed that ELCA had already lost 500,000 members, and I hasten to add, they used the Church Growth ninnies as much as LCMS and WELS.
How could they lose even more members? That is correct! You are astute. The convention was a done deal before Mark Hanson, the Presiding Bishop, began the event. He was all for a change away from the old ways, men marrying women, having children according to God's Creation.
The LCA and ALC were already infiltrated with the Left Wing when they birthed the ELCA in 1987. The AELC (Seminex) was even more so, proud of their departure and their seminary board chairman Dick Jungkuntz.
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| Jungkuntz went from WELS to the LCMS to Board Chairman of Seminex, providing a nest for a gay seminary, side-by-side with Seminex. Fuller Seminary promoted a similar gay shift in 2013. The 2009 convention was not a debate, but the tripwire to carry out officially what they had been doing since 1987 and before. Trexler, the editor of The Lutheran magazine, said (paraphrased) "The LCA has been ordaining homosexuals for years." WELS and Missouri are not different - they just keep it to themselves. Stay tuned to the Ovaltines' conventions. They have plenty to say. One might compare and contrast ELCA with ELCiC in Canada. The Canadian version more Left than ELCA, and they have a long-term lady Presiding Bishop.    |
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| Denominations are the only vessel where the ship is wrecked, sinking, and the remnants are chipper. |
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| As the language goes, so goes the doctrine, down down to goblin town. |
