Tuesday, May 5, 2009

The Cover Story versus The Facts




The CORE News and Events

(still listed as of today on their websty).


April 17
Wildwood Film Festival
The CORE will be hosting one evening of the Wildwood Flim Festival. This festival features local filmmakers and will be held on April 17th at 6:30 and 9:00 pm. Tickets are $10 and are available at the door. For more information visit www.wildwoodfilmfest.com

The Cover Story:

I. J. Reilly has left a new comment on your post "Films at the Mission Church":

The Wildwood Film Festival had absolutely no connection to the Core except that it took place in the same location where the Core is conducting its ministry. This isn't the best analogy, I know, but it's kind of like when a church will let its building be used as a polling place. Hey, I would imagine that some pretty ungodly men and women received votes that were cast in a church building. This was not an event that was promoted among its church members as a church event. I agree that the organizers of the festival should have been more careful about the films they presented in that venue, but Ski really had no idea of what the movies would be like before the event took place.

Welcome to the camp, I guess we all know why we're here!

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The Facts:

if u r in appleton & looking for something to do tonight come on down to The CORE 4 the Wildwood Film Festival. Starts at 6:30 & 9:00
about 4 hours ago from TweetDeck

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The Cover Story versus The Facts":

FACT: The CORE hosted this event and The CORE asked for its members to staff the event. It was NOT just a use of the facilities. The CORE gave approval for this function. The CORE could have denied having this held. It knew the content of the films and still hosted it.

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The Cover Story versus The Facts": The CORE also promoted the Wildwood Film Festival on its website.The CORE said it was hosting the event.


There's a church in the valley leased by Wildwood
No lovelier spot in A-town
No place is so dear to my childhood
As the Popcorn Cathedral of Rock.

(Oh, come, come, come, come)

Come to the church leased by Wildwood
Oh, come to the church in A-town
No spot is so dear to my childhood
As the Popcorn Cathedral of Rock.

How sweet on a clear Sabbath morning
To listen to a Rock and Roll band
Its tones so loudly are calling
To the Popcorn Church built on sand.

(Oh, come, come, come, come)

Come to the church leased by Wildwood
Oh, come to the church in A-town,
No spot is so dear to my childhood
As the Popcorn Cathedral of Rock.

There, close by the church in old A-town
Lies the doctrine I loved so well
We buried her beside the Willow Creek,
Cause we thought Schwaermer doctrine was swell.

(Oh, come, come, come, come)

Come to the church leased by Wildwood
Oh, come to the church in A-town.
No spot is so dear to my childhood
As the Popcorn Cathedral of Rock.

There, close by the side of Craig Groeschel,
Near Driscoll, Stetzer, Stanley, and Sweet,
When they bury the last Lutheran synod,
Church and Change will shout, "That's neat!"

(Oh, come, come, come, come)

Come to the church leased by Wildwood
Oh, come to the church in A-town
No spot is so dear to my childhood
As the Popcorn Cathedral of Rock.

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Wildwood Film FestivalFriday, April 17th
Shows at 6:30 and 9:00pm
"The CORE" (formerly the Big Picture Theater)
Appleton, Wisconsin

The Northwestern



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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Questions for DP Englebrecht and the WELS COP":

There was quite a stink here in A-Town a couple years back when the WELS congregations didn't/wouldn't/couldn't participate in a Thrivent-sponsored Habitat for Humanity drive. (Perhaps it wasn't only in A-Tizzle fo' shizzle, dawg, yo,.)

Why? Each day Habitat for Humanity opens with prayer before the hammers swing. It is contrary to our confession of faith to engage in such simple religious activity with other groups.

Yet... yet... called pastors from the Fox Valley go to outright Enthusiastic worship services -- with alter (sic) calls of public profession of faith and the laying on of hands --, exclaim about it to the www.world, seek help on how to build churches from the son of the director of the California Southern Baptist Convention, and get mezmerized by who-knows-what spirit by the awesome praize band.


Concerned WELS laymen, I'm talking to you. This is what WELS synod tolerates now. Your donations & your church's donations to synod pay the salary of the men - MEN - who are supposed to put their foot down. But they won't.

Perhaps 'tolerate' isn't the right word. WELS synod encourages it. You are the one tolerating it, with your silence.

+Diet O. Worms

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "The Cover Story versus The Facts":

Diet, I don't think WELS has any problem with Habitat for Humanity. Here is Pastor Mark Jeske giving the blessing with Habitat for Humanity.

Thrivent Builds with Habitat for Humanity
Friday, May 18 - afternoon
Home Blessing
As I return to the site Friday afternoon, I see the William's new home clean as a whistle and ready for occupancy. I am introduced to Dakari, Kayin and Amaris, Gloria and Bashambas' children. They are precious. Darkari makes his first trip up the ramp constructed especially for him; he is loving it. Kayin and Amaris are bouncing around, unable to contain their excitement. Kayin pulls Carmel Builders President, Tom, by the pants leg into what will be his new room. "I'm going to paint my room blue and green—my favorite colors", he exclaims.
Crowds are gathering now - preparing for the home dedication service. County Executive, Scott Walker, along with leaders from Thrivent Financial for Lutherans and Milwaukee Habitat for Humanity and the Carmel Builders Crew to celebrate the dream of home ownership for the Williams Family. Pastor Mark Jeske from Time of Grace Ministry gives a blessing and we all give thanks!
As I listen, I am reminded that what has been built this week is more than walls and a roof. Together, many hands with one vision have built a home. In the process we have formed community and laid a foundation for community to grow and thrive. This is really what it's all about and what Habitat is all about. Helping hands pulling together to truly make a difference in people's lives.
There's no better reason to celebrate!

http://www.thriventbuilds.com/homes/diary/index.html

Although WELS themselves have said this:
"Another concern is Habitat’s desire to be an ecumenical organization, that is, an organization with “a concern to reunite the divided Christian family” (p. 80). But this reuniting is not done on the basis of a careful study of the Scriptures. In his book, Fuller approvingly quotes the slogan, “Doctrine divides, service unites” (p. 80). He says unity comes about when people of diverse religious beliefs work together to build homes for the poor. “Maybe, just maybe, God wants to use ‘the theology of the hammer’ as a means to draw his divergent family closer together” (p. 79). This statement and others like it come close to making the building of homes for the poor a means of grace." Paul Janke, pastor at St. Peter, Modesto, California

http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?1712&cxDatabase_databaseID=1&id=8719&magazine=Forward%20in%20Christ


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GJ - I think all the DPs have had alter calls. They thought they were going to get tutored. Ditto the Sausage Factory professors.



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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The Cover Story versus The Facts":

Most of the people attending the Wildwood Film Festival could probably use a good dose of Jesus. What better way to plant a seed. But I would say by the way all of the pompous asses carry on here, you need Jesus more. Satan is crouching at your door. Read Galations 2. Then read it again. And then read it again for good measure before it is too late. I don't know, maybe it is too late. There are no hearts of Jesus here. I think the Father, Son and Holy Ghost have left for the coast...fleeing from this blog.


Needed - more relational, relevant, and real signage.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

FACT: The CORE hosted this event and The CORE asked for its members to staff the event. It was NOT just a use of the facilities. The CORE gave approval for this function. The CORE could have denied having this held. It knew the content of the films and still hosted it.

Anonymous said...

The CORE also promoted the Wildwood Film Festival on its website.

The CORE said it was hosting the event.

Anonymous said...

"What a web we weave when at first we lie to deceive."

Anonymous said...

Imagine the caseloads of attorneys in the next life sorting out the frauds of preachers in this life.

Anonymous said...

WHAT SHAM ARTISTS!

Anonymous said...

Get rid of the DPs as another cost cutting measure. They do not do their jobs anyhow.

Anonymous said...

Yes, you cowardly laymen, Worms is talking to you. Is it too much effort to assert yourself for Christ? Christ promises to remember.

Brett Meyer said...

Diet, I don't think WELS has any problem with Habitat for Humanity. Here is Pastor Mark Jeske giving the blessing with Habitat for Humanity.

Thrivent Builds with Habitat for Humanity
Friday, May 18 - afternoon
Home Blessing
As I return to the site Friday afternoon, I see the William's new home clean as a whistle and ready for occupancy. I am introduced to Dakari, Kayin and Amaris, Gloria and Bashambas' children. They are precious. Darkari makes his first trip up the ramp constructed especially for him; he is loving it. Kayin and Amaris are bouncing around, unable to contain their excitement. Kayin pulls Carmel Builders President, Tom, by the pants leg into what will be his new room. "I'm going to paint my room blue and green—my favorite colors", he exclaims.
Crowds are gathering now - preparing for the home dedication service. County Executive, Scott Walker, along with leaders from Thrivent Financial for Lutherans and Milwaukee Habitat for Humanity and the Carmel Builders Crew to celebrate the dream of home ownership for the Williams Family. Pastor Mark Jeske from Time of Grace Ministry gives a blessing and we all give thanks!
As I listen, I am reminded that what has been built this week is more than walls and a roof. Together, many hands with one vision have built a home. In the process we have formed community and laid a foundation for community to grow and thrive. This is really what it's all about and what Habitat is all about. Helping hands pulling together to truly make a difference in people's lives.
There's no better reason to celebrate!

http://www.thriventbuilds.com/homes/diary/index.html

Although WELS themselves have said this:
"Another concern is Habitat’s desire to be an ecumenical organization, that is, an organization with “a concern to reunite the divided Christian family” (p. 80). But this reuniting is not done on the basis of a careful study of the Scriptures. In his book, Fuller approvingly quotes the slogan, “Doctrine divides, service unites” (p. 80). He says unity comes about when people of diverse religious beliefs work together to build homes for the poor. “Maybe, just maybe, God wants to use ‘the theology of the hammer’ as a means to draw his divergent family closer together” (p. 79). This statement and others like it come close to making the building of homes for the poor a means of grace." Paul Janke, pastor at St. Peter, Modesto, California

http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?1712&cxDatabase_databaseID=1&id=8719&magazine=Forward%20in%20Christ

Anonymous said...

Brett,

Excellent research. ;-) Whew! That "Forward in Christ" magazine is iron-clad theological exposition right there. I'm glad I responded to the synod debt drive to free up more funding for good works like that. [Not.]

You're right about Jeske; we should be grateful he single-handedly amended WELS' narrow thinking on ecumenical issues right in front of the press corps. We need more leaders like him eager to reach out, defy old fashioned Biblical constraints, and grab the cash and the limelight and more cash.

What's next? WELS will invite a homosexual Catholic archbishop to speak at the college? Errrr, nevermind.


If Exponential 09 taught us anything, it's that we must have courage to shock people into giving us their attention. Speakers there said courage worked for Peter & John in Acts 4, so it must work for Church Planters too. [Follow the felt-logic: The Apostles had the Holy Spirit, and since "Christ Followers" [we're NOT *Christians* anymore] jump up and down and feel _a_ spirit and get emotionally moved by rockin' crazy-awesome insane-cool praise bands, it'll work for Church Planters too! QED. ]

Wait, the Apostles didn't have a praise band?


Outlandish, bold, rule-breaking 'courage' was a tenet of a featured speaker there, so watch for more nonsense.


+Diet O. Worms

Anonymous said...

From my experience the purpose of hosting secular events at churches (normally done by CG churches / new paradigm / "we have to rethink the way we do ministry")is to get people comfortable with coming into your building or "church" under the guise of a non-threatening enviornment. This then gives your members, such as the ones staffing the event, to share Jesus with the people as opportunity permits. Or it gives people a "good feeling" about your place and may make them come back to hear the "unchanging message".

So it can be considered pre-evangelism as I have come to know the term.

Didn't Amy Grant start this same kind of thinking with her album "Crossing Over" years ago. So many were shocked that she was going secular, but she insisted it was a way to reach a greater audience so that perhaps they would then come to her concerts or buy her other records and see and hear the scriptural references and take it to heart. It didn't really work out that way did it? She just kept getting further from even vague Christian references in her music. In the end not much was left.

Is this is what is happening at CORE and other places. We'll see. 23 years since Amy's Crossing over came out has been very telling.

Scotch

Anonymous said...

Most of the people attending the Wildwood Film Festival could probably use a good dose of Jesus. What better way to plant a seed. But I would say by the way all of the pompous asses carry on here, you need Jesus more. Satan is crouching at your door. Read Galations 2. Then read it again. And then read it again for good measure before it is too late. I don't know, maybe it is too late. There are no hearts of Jesus here. I think the Father, Son and Holy Ghost have left for the coast...fleeing from this blog.

Anonymous said...

I would read Galations 2, but I can't find "Galations" anywhere in my Bible.

Anonymous said...

Galations 2 is a bad choice. It does not address the treachery of religious leaders.

rlschultz said...

The appeal to the laity in these comments is noteworthy. A cursory reading of the history of the Christian church will indicate that in many situations, the leaders were willing to compromise with heretics. The Judas-like actions of today's synod leaders should not raise even one hair of an eyebrow to those who are well informed. There are also examples of a faithful laity who have arrested or diminished the sellout.

Brett Meyer said...

Anonymous purveyor of Galations 2 (Galatians), it would be beneficial for you to read Luther's Commentary on Galatians. Here are two quotes:

"Speaking of money, nobody wants to contribute nowadays to the maintenance of the
ministry, and the erection of schools. When it comes to establishing false worship and
idolatry, no cost is spared. True religion is ever in need of money, while false religions are
backed by wealth."

"For defending the truth in our day, we are called proud and obstinate hypocrites. We are not
ashamed of these titles. The cause we are called to defend, is not Peter's cause, or the cause
of our parents, or that of the government, or that of the world, but the cause of God. In
defense of that cause we must be firm and unyielding."

http://www.bibleteacher.org/luthercom_2.htm

And lo and behold - for those blasphemous UOJ'ers there's a quote for you too:

"Here let me say, that these three things, faith, Christ, and imputation of righteousness, are to
be joined together. Faith takes hold of Christ. God accounts this faith for righteousness.
This imputation of righteousness we need very much, because we are far from perfect. As
long as we have this body, sin will dwell in our flesh. Then, too, we sometimes drive away
the Holy Spirit; we fall into sin, like Peter, David, and other holy men. Nevertheless we may
always take recourse to this fact, "that our sins are covered," and that "God will not lay them
to our charge." Sin is not held against us for Christ's sake. Where Christ and faith are
lacking, there is no remission or covering of sins, but only condemnation."

"Where Christ and faith are lacking, there is no remission or covering of sins, but only condemnation."

In Christ,
Brett Meyer

Anonymous said...

Who is Brett Meyer? And what qualifies him more than anyone else to judge what the Bible has to say about justification and women participating in the worship service? It's not enough to say "I'm right and you're wrong." Show us your credentials, Brett.