Thursday, March 25, 2010

LP Cruz on Pieper, or, The British Empire Strikes Back


UOJ Stormtroopers love to debate...their way.


LP Cruz from Extra Nos sent a perceptive note, so I asked him if I could publish it:

I have been reviewing Maier's paper again.

I found the Calov quote that Jay Webber quoted to me.

This [Maier] paper is a clear and solid refutation of UOJ and is quite complete in that it even suggests how UOJ terminology should be corrected.

The fallacy of Pieper was the thinking - Tertium non Datur, meaning, he taught that either accept UOJ or you wind up believing you are saved by works which faith is a subset of. He believed there was no other alternative position.

This is a serious blunder and people are assuming what Pieper assumed, that there is no 3rd alternative to his idea of objective justification.

It has become serious because people are saying that if you do not believe in UOJ you do not believe the Gospel. Maier's paper is very sound and he paraded his exegesis of passages. For this to not be taken up by folk in LC-MS shows to me that there must have been a political spirit operating at LC-MS.

LPC

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GJ - The basic fallacy of the Synodical Conference is the infallibility of CFW Walther. Therefore, they had to construct arguments to support everything he wrote, and Walther was prolific.

UOJ was cleverly used by the Preus brothers to push Maier out of the seminary presidency.

Rolf Preus, Jay Webber, and Paul McCain--three difference synods--promote UOJ as the pure Gospel when it is plagiarized from the Pietists. Those who reject their Calvinism are called "Calvinists"! That shows how little they have progressed from their repeat-after-me training at Ft. Wayne.

6 comments:

L P said...

Pr. GJ,

Heavens, we are told Luther could be wrong and we are advised to differ from him, but for the venerable C F Dubya Dubya(who over stated his case like Flacius)? No way!

LPC

WELS church lady said...

Here is a link for the Maier paper on Justification By Faith.

http://www.wlsessays.net/files/MaierJustification.pdf

I would also like to suggest this paper:
http://www.wlsessays.net/files/Schuetzelaw.pdf

In Maier's essay he takes on the word "objective" and how a new meaning was coined by various teachers. What I found interesting in the Schuetze essay is that in thirty pages the term UOJ is never used.(remember now 30 pages) In the way Maier took issue with the word "objective," Schuetze took issue with the word "universal." He called universal salvation Universalism!(no use of objective jutification or universal justification,keep in mind Schuetze's paper was not a debate whereas Maier's is)

In Christ,
from WELS church lady

Brett Meyer said...

Luther's Works 33, 25. "If I were to strangle someone's father and mother, wife and child, and try to choke him too, and then say 'Keep the peace, dear friend, we wish to love one another, the matter is not so important that we should be divided over it,' what would he say to me? This is what the fanatics do to Christ, the Lord, and God, the Father, and to mother church and the brethren with their rejection of God's Word while at the same time claiming it for themselves."

So true of those who promote the false man made gospel of UOJ.

bruce-church said...

Church Lady, You should cut and paste URLs instead of mirror typing them because just one mistake, or non-capitalization, and it comes back as a 404 Errror. In this URL, Law has to be capitalized like this:

http://www.wlsessays.net/files/SchuetzeLaw.pdf

WELS church lady said...

Thanks bruce-church. Pastor GJ forwarded your comment to my email. I noticed, a little later, that the "l" should have been capitalized. I hope you found the essay worth reading.

In Christ,
from WELS church lady

L P said...

UOJ is indeed Calvinistic in spirit, for it is rationalistic in its method and conclusion.

CFW Walther did not like Calvinists but when he said "you are saved so that you might believe" he was being Calvinistic. What is worst was that he was contradicting the saying and teaching of Jesus.

For example here in Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

If Walther were alive and we brought this Scripture up, I would suspect we would be hounded out.

LPC