Yep on the banjo/guitar summit.
Objectively speaking, ELCA ceased to be an identifiably Lutheran church when it entered into formal altar and pulpit fellowship with various liberal Reformed churches, on Reformed terms. Since then it has been what we have always called a "Union church." "Lutheranism" in some form is perhaps still one school of thought among many in the large conglomerated ecumenical ecclesial "thing" that ELCA now belongs to, by virtue of its official ties with the United Church of Christ, the Reformed Church in America, the Presbyterian Church USA, the Moravian Church, the Episcopal Church, and most recently the United Methodist Church. But ELCA as such is not a Lutheran Church by any objective, historical, theological definition of Lutheranism. It is, as I said, now a Union church. Its embracing of homosexuality does not place it outside of Lutheranism, since it was already outside of Lutheranism. Its embracing of homosexuality goes further than this, by placing it outside of natural law and common human morality.
Objectively speaking, ELCA ceased to be an identifiably Lutheran church when it entered into formal altar and pulpit fellowship with various liberal Reformed churches, on Reformed terms. Since then it has been what we have always called a "Union church." "Lutheranism" in some form is perhaps still one school of thought among many in the large conglomerated ecumenical ecclesial "thing" that ELCA now belongs to, by virtue of its official ties with the United Church of Christ, the Reformed Church in America, the Presbyterian Church USA, the Moravian Church, the Episcopal Church, and most recently the United Methodist Church. But ELCA as such is not a Lutheran Church by any objective, historical, theological definition of Lutheranism. It is, as I said, now a Union church. Its embracing of homosexuality does not place it outside of Lutheranism, since it was already outside of Lutheranism. Its embracing of homosexuality goes further than this, by placing it outside of natural law and common human morality.
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Try, try, try to separate them
It's an illusion
Try, try, try, and you will only come
To this conclusion
Love and marriage, love and marriage
Go together like a horse and carriage
Dad was told by mother
You can't have one without the other.
It's an illusion
Try, try, try, and you will only come
To this conclusion
Love and marriage, love and marriage
Go together like a horse and carriage
Dad was told by mother
You can't have one without the other.
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GJ - Jay Webber has identified why Missouri, WELS, the Little Sect on the Prairie, and the CLC (sic) should all amalgamate. They are Union churches, in fellowship with the Babtists and Pestecostals by virtue of their promotion of CG/Emergent Church.
ELCA is definitely Union, but it is openly, honestly, lovingly, lavender Union.
The sects listed above are secretly, dishonestly, spitefully, closeted Union. And they all work with Thrivent, too.
I love it when outsiders take the CLC (sic) seriously at their word. They are also mixed up with Thrivent. They also love CG.
This is an easy and logical conclusion: If ELCA is Union by virtue of its doctrine and practice, so are the others. They go together like a horse and carriage. They have married the Spirit of This Age, so they are doomed to be Widows in the Age To Come.
Webber forgot to mention working with Floyd Luther Stolzenburg in Columbus, where Roger Kovaciny (another Shrinker) exhibited all the signs of fellowship in order to raise money for Webber's project in the Ukraine. That would make Webber a Union hero of sorts.
