Actually, I put the whole unfortunate situation with Joe and his family at the feet of Greg Jackson. If Greg hadn't gotten Joe all hot an bothered about the UOJ "controversy" (truly the lamest, insignificant religious controversy that there has ever been in the whole history of Christendom), Joe wouldn't have entered into a pointless dispute with his home congregation. How many other lives will this man ruin?
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GJ - The first logical fallacy is calling Joe Krohn a mindless follower of Ichabod, but that ignores the fact that he was sympathetic with Church and Change. The anonymous comment is also a put-down of Joe Krohn, a common tactic in WELS and other Pietistic sects.
Second, the author makes justification a non-argument, although he repeatedly posts about it.Exactly why has WELS been pounding UOJ since Richard Jungkuntz (died in ELCA) beat the drums for this precious doctrine. The entire UOJ Stormtrooper sorority imagines that the absolution of the world is the message of the Gospel. They never tire of assassinating anyone who disagrees with their fallacies, but they are unable to engage the issues.
The brave guru, Joel by name, a leader of the Pharisees, claims that Joe and Lisa Krohn were excommunicated for NOTHING!!! I refuse to copy his earlier illiterate comment. With respect, here is his corrected version.
If the debate was between limited atonement (Calvinism) and universal atonement (Lutheran), it would be a big deal. The UOJ "debate" is between universal atonement (anti-UOJ) and universal justification (UOJ). There is not a warm bucket of spit's difference between those two sides since neither side says anyone gets into heaven unless they are brought to faith. Yes, this is a pointless debate and now Joe Krohn has had an upheaval in his family and church life over NOTHING!!!!!
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I believe there is an often overlooked part of the entire controversy between Joe Krohn and his former congregation. If you read the original list of his concerns, one of them is the use of Cornerstone for funraising. One does get into trouble in the WELS when one questions the use of something the WELS wants to be an adiaphoria. Follow the money.
When in doubt, and you have no other logical argument, just blame it on Greg Jackson.
If the difference between Justification by Faith and UOJ amounts to nothing, then why was Joe Krohn kicked out?! Why have other UOJ doubters and deniers been kicked out over the decades going all the way back to 1870? True Lutheranism will eventually win out and UOJ will be vomited back to hell where it came from.
...the enthusiasts should be rebuked with great earnestness and zeal, and should in no way be tolerated in the Church of God, who imagine [dream] that God, without any means, without the hearing of the divine Word, and without the use of the holy Sacraments, draws men to Himself, and enlightens, justifies, and saves them. - Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration. Art. II:80, “Free Will, or Human Powers”
The use of Cornerstone was all the reason I needed as to why I finally left my former WELS congregation. When I read the name Jeff Davis in the council report section of the monthly newsletter, I was sure that none of my efforts would convince the congregational leadership that were going down the wrong path. When I called the congregation president, he acknowledged that Davis would be getting a commission. But, it was only 3% to 5% of the money raised through the capital appeal process. Furthermore, that commission had a cap on it. I was assured that I could find out what the cap is, but that information was never divulged.
When another congregation wanted to take on an expansion, they asked Cornerstone first. The pastor told what of the lay leaders, "I feel like we are being extorted". What would be against the law in the secular realm seems to be a normal mode of operation within some circles in the WELS.
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