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"Why dost thou disquiet me and bring me up?"
If I didn't know better, I would say Quiet WELSian is a member of Holy Word. You seem to have the same issues that Matt Wordell had.
I didn't misinterpret WELS position on UOJ. I refuted it. Nowhere does it say in the Bible that before we do anything we are forgiven. Which includes being born (as Holy Word and WELS teaches officially) or hearing the Word of God. I used solid scripture to back my position and they used Schaller, Buchholz and WELS 'This We Believe".
I keep getting accused of listening to Jackson and Meyer. I probably don't have half the brain that you do. I'm sorry.
But what of the Intrepid Lutherans? Rydecki and Spencer et al; they must be misinterpreting too, huh? Oh oh... :)
Joe
PS...You should really take your masks off. You make WELS look even more cultish even though I try to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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Going back over the letters and emails that were posted, I must believe that Quiet WELSian (may not be real name) had to have been reading the wrong letters. I see a lay member asking questions, wanting clarifications in an effort to learn and grow in faith. Isn't that a part of making disciples? I see too much emphasis on just spreading the Word, but not enough emphasis on teaching the Word, explaining it, examining it. I see a church refusing to go over major doctrinal areas with a member. And this was just the beginning of the snowball going down the mountain.
I don't care if you are a pastor, a district president, a synod president, if a member has a question regarding essential Christian foundations, you take the time to answer them. The responses from Joe betray that he is a student of Lutheran doctrine, his quotes alone are evidence of that. The responses from the church consist of saying there will be no discussion, repent and shut up or else, with not even token Scripture passages included.
On a separate note regarding something I saw in the FIC for the WELS 2011 Worship Conference. Over 850 attendees. WOW! And 150 students in the youth choirs! YOWZA! I can now see that the new MLC chapel could never have held that many people. Of course, if you go to the MLC website it states:
"What are the general requirements for this chapel?
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Seating capacity: 1000 for worshipers, an additional 100 for choir, and overflow seating for 200; flexible seating preferred"
Hmmm...so that chapel can fit 1200 derrieres and over 850 showed up. Gosh that's quite the discrepancy and apparently no one read the PR on the website. Then again I can remember that math was not emphasized when I went to MLC, so why should that change anytime soon?
On a related note, they must have sent out a pamphlet explaining all the various reasons why they had to use an ELCA chapel after reading Ichabod. I overheard a pastor that was headed to the conference reciting almost point for point as to why MLC wasn't suitable: no A/C, not big enough, cafeteria issues, yadda yadda, blah blah, etc. Almost verbatim from what was brought up on Ichabod.
Boy the party line comes out in full force. Sad. Of course now it is quite a bit after the fact so who would really care, right?
http://www.wels.net/worship/about-national-worship-conference
http://www.mlc-wels.edu/home/administration/board/chapelfaq/?searchterm=chapel seating
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