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| The UOJ posse strikes often, claiming they really teach justification by faith. |
Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Many Assertions - No Support":
Rev. Bosclair states, "This website equates regeneration with Justification"
Yes, correct. Scripture declares in Mark 4:12, “That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.”
The doctrine of UOJ is a doctrine of devils and opposes and contradicts Scripture at every turn. The false gospel of UOJ would have your children believe that the whole unbelieving world was forgiven by God, and then maybe some of them would in time come to believe they were forgiven and by that kind of faith, which is not the faith of the Holy Spirit, they are saved eternally (the benefit of the faithless forgiveness they received while they bathed under God's wrath and condemnation - John 3:36, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:18, “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
Rev. Bosclair spews the venom of UOJ because it is a baseless and vile product of man's reason attempting to establish a way to righteousness before God while rejecting the faith of Christ, His righteousness worked solely through the Means of Grace. What blasphemy it is to condemn the righteousness of Christ in the chief article of Justification solely by faith in Christ alone - declaring that faith a work of man if by it alone a man is forgiven all sin.
Rev. Bosclair states, "The lie is that we who believe, teach, and confess Objective Justification deny justification by faith, or more precisely justification by grace through faith."
If the UOJists today were as bold as Siebert W. Becker and clearly state what their chief doctrine teaches - this we believe and this we reject - Lutheran laity would throw their mutinous carcasses to the curb. Siegbert, the father of UOJ in the WELS (H.A. Preus in the LCMS, Knapp and Tholuck at Halle and their grandfather Samuel Huber at Wittenberg) clearly defined the teaching of UOJ. UOJ teaches it is by grace alone that the whole unbelieving world has been forgiven all sin and declared righteous in Christ - outside of the Means of Grace and regardless of any kind of faith. It is then by faith alone in the previous faithless forgiveness that they are saved eternally - receive the benefit.
Somebody needs to study their chief doctrine.
Becker:
http://www.wlsessays.net/files/BeckerJustification.pdf
H.A. Preus:
http://www.christforus.org/Papers/Content/HermanAmbergPreusonJustificationofWorld.htm
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GJ - One of the Preus patriarches was removed from his parish (on Good Friday!) because of his UOJ. It fits well with their martyrdom complex. Ironic - because UOJ is an expression of Pietism, not Biblical, Lutheran doctrine.
Rolf Preus:
The Importance of the Pure Doctrine
The French have a saying, “Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.” The more things change, the more they stay the same. In his presidential address to the Norwegian Synod in 1884, President Herman Amberg Preus speaks directly to our generation:
Many people are confused in their simple Christian faith and ask in doubt: “Yes, what is the truth?” Base elements, which must be found in congregations, step forward who quickly gain support and attempt to make themselves influential. Respect for the ordinances of the church and for Christian morality is dulled. Doctrinal discipline and the little church discipline which is to be found, are relaxed. Agitation and church politics are promoted. Majorities decide matters instead of the Word of God. Thus we stand in danger of a general demoralization. Suspicion, disunity and conflict arise between members of the same congregation, yes, of the same family. Factions are formed which lie in wait for each other and try to get the best of everyone. Splits in congregations and deposing of pastors have even occurred because of the controversy.[12]
Sound familiar? Pastor Preus spoke from personal experience. He and his son Christian served as pastors of Norway Grove Lutheran Church in Dane County, Wisconsin. Herman had served the congregation for thirty years. Agitators from the so-called Anti-Missourian Brotherhood stirred up certain members of the congregation to demand that their pastors repudiate the confessional Lutheran doctrine on election. They refused. On Good Friday 1883, Pastors Herman and Christian Preus were not only deposed by a majority of the congregation. They were bodily removed. The congregation later repented of their sin.
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The martyrdom of H. A. Preus is a significant part of the Preus mythology. If they admit he was wrong, they would have to concede an entire series of errors. UOJ is orthodox because H. A. Preus taught it, and H. A. Preus was orthodox because he was bodily removed from his congregation for teaching UOJ.
Every alleged UOJ quotation from Luther to the post-Concord era of orthodoxy is an expression of the atonement of Christ.
Romans 4:25 is supposed to teach UOJ, but the entire verse teaches the opposite.
Here is another classic UOJ claim.
KJV Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even
so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
They allege that Romans 5:18 teaches UOJ, a few verses after this,
KJV Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory
of God. -
jarringly after an entire chapter (4) on justification by faith.
UOJ is a claim seeking desperately for a foundation, and not finding any, roams about looking for a new lodging, a new quotation to posses and distort.
One test of a claim is to look at an opposite expression of it.
KJV Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even
so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
The second half of this verse is supposed to be proof of UOJ. If "all men" is changed to "some men," it would be in harmony with Calvin's limited atonement. The original verse only says that this Gospel is sent to the entire world, not that every single cannibal and Hindu is declared righteous in Christ. Be sure to shout in Christ, as Jay Webber does, to prove some kind of point. No one knows exactly what that point is, but repetition does have its influence. Glaring also helps. UOJ Enthusiast glare when they spout their foamy assertions.
Apparently, that in Christ means people are forgiven in Christ, but not really, until they make a decision in favor of UOJ. That would be the "faith in their own faith" that the UOJ Enthusiasts condemn so often.
According to Rolf Preus, the Gospel is only the Gospel if it is expressed as UOJ, which comes straight from the bowels of Pietism, from Halle University, the alma mater of the founder of the Missouri Synod, Martin Stephan.
A Calvinist gave America the double-justification language of UOJ (OJ and SJ) when he translated G. C. Knapp's Halle lectures.
Calvin rejected the Means of Grace. UOJ Storm-Brownies are incapable of discussing Lutheran doctrine intelligently, dealing with the Means of Grace or the efficacy of the Word. The UOJ Hive is just as buzzy about the Holy Spirit as Calvin was.
Calvin has the Holy Spirit dropping by, here and there, making our empty sermons and ceremonies effective by His impetuous actions. The sermons is nothing if the Holy Spirit chooses not to be present. Holy Communion and Baptism - the same. That is why Calvinists pray "Sovereign Lord." That phrase is an expression of this disconnect between the Holy Spirit and the Word.
UOJ is not pure Calvinism. The dogma is not pure anything, but an amalgam of Pietism, Calvinism, and rationalism.
One of the key moves in UOJ is to claim - "If Christ has taken on the sin of the world, then the entire world is righteous." That rationalism is a basis for all their absurdities. Where is this a Biblical claim? Nowhere. This is simply a philosophical construct clinging to a citation where it does not fit at all.
The Hive never worries about context.
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| Dark Helmet loves UOJ, but he kicked out Rolf Preus anyway. |
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Daryl Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Brett Meyer Answers the Unclear Boys of UOJ":
Ichabod brings up the oft cited proof passage of UOJ, Rom. 5:18, and, though it's been said here many times before, I'll bring it up again: the fact that faith is the context of this passage wasn't lost on the authors of the Formula of Concord either. "Therefore it is considered and understood to be the same thing when Paul says we are justified by faith, Rom. 3:28...or that by the righteousness of One justification of faith came to all men, Rom 5:18." (FCSD III:12 Conc. Trigl. p919) Yes, the English translation uses 'justification of faith came to all men', although the Latin uses 'vitae' while the German has both 'Glaubens' and '[Lebens]'. At any rate, do pastors still hold a quia subscription?
