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From: "Warren Malach" <brucknerfan1951@msn.com>
Date: Jan 2, 2014 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: Your IL statement
To: "tlcsvaz@orthodoxlutheran.info" <tlcsvaz@orthodoxlutheran.info>
Cc:
Dear Pastor Spencer:
After reading your further posts in the Intrepid Lutherans forum today, I am left shaking my head in total amazement. You are in a state
of total denial about the reasons for which the forum has lost support within
the WELS. The forum allows Pastor Rydecki to attack the public doctrine of the
WELS regarding the doctrine of Objective Justification, the forum admits that it
has lost support within the WELS, and you completely ignore the doctrinal
"elephant in the living room" as a reason for the decline in support for the
forum. Can you prove that IL's decline in support PRIOR to the forum's use by
Pastor Rydecki to attack the public doctrine of the WELS was equal to or greater
than that experienced by the forum AFTER Pastor Rydecki began using the forum to
attack the public doctrine of the WELS? If so, then be my guest.
Allow me to use myself as a case in point. You will recall that my first reaction to the IL forum as a new member of the WELS was very positive. I contacted you privately for more information about the problems in the synod in order to become a better-informed member of the WELS. Then the forum began posting attacks by Pastor Rydecki upon the public doctrine of the WELS. You are quite aware of how I reacted to this use of the forum, especially considering the fact that Pastor Rydecki had the use of his own blog and his own congregation's website to make his public attacks. Why was the IL forum permitting itself to be used in this fashion? Because Pastor Rydecki was an officer of the forum and a personal friend of yours? You claimed that you wanted an "open discussion" of things in the forum, yet the forum does NOT permit such an "open discussion" because all responses are "moderated" by the officers of the forum. You even posted one of my responses after I complained about the lack of "open discussion" when another officer refused to post it. Finally I quit trying to post in the forum, when I came to realize that the forum had become "anti-WELS" in its doctrinal position.
Why won't you discuss in your IL posts the use of the forum by Pastor Rydecki to attack the public doctrine of the WELS? Why won't you tell IL readers where you yourself stand on the doctrine of Objective Justification? It is known that President Buchholz has spoken to you about this subject, just as it is known that you intended to resign from Intrepid Lutherans a year ago but changed your mind. Until you deal with the reality of the consequences of the use of the IL forum for attacks upon the public doctrine of the WELS, you remain in a state of denial about the reasons for the decline of support for the forum within the WELS. --Warren
From: brucknerfan1951@msn.com
To: tlcsvaz@orthodoxlutheran.info
Subject: Your IL statement
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:41:10 -0800
Allow me to use myself as a case in point. You will recall that my first reaction to the IL forum as a new member of the WELS was very positive. I contacted you privately for more information about the problems in the synod in order to become a better-informed member of the WELS. Then the forum began posting attacks by Pastor Rydecki upon the public doctrine of the WELS. You are quite aware of how I reacted to this use of the forum, especially considering the fact that Pastor Rydecki had the use of his own blog and his own congregation's website to make his public attacks. Why was the IL forum permitting itself to be used in this fashion? Because Pastor Rydecki was an officer of the forum and a personal friend of yours? You claimed that you wanted an "open discussion" of things in the forum, yet the forum does NOT permit such an "open discussion" because all responses are "moderated" by the officers of the forum. You even posted one of my responses after I complained about the lack of "open discussion" when another officer refused to post it. Finally I quit trying to post in the forum, when I came to realize that the forum had become "anti-WELS" in its doctrinal position.
Why won't you discuss in your IL posts the use of the forum by Pastor Rydecki to attack the public doctrine of the WELS? Why won't you tell IL readers where you yourself stand on the doctrine of Objective Justification? It is known that President Buchholz has spoken to you about this subject, just as it is known that you intended to resign from Intrepid Lutherans a year ago but changed your mind. Until you deal with the reality of the consequences of the use of the IL forum for attacks upon the public doctrine of the WELS, you remain in a state of denial about the reasons for the decline of support for the forum within the WELS. --Warren
From: brucknerfan1951@msn.com
To: tlcsvaz@orthodoxlutheran.info
Subject: Your IL statement
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 11:41:10 -0800
Dear Pastor Spencer: I just noticed your statement posted in the
Intrepid Lutherans forum. In that I never heard back from you after you
promised to respond to me after your vacation last fall, I take this opportunity
to react to your public statement.
Of course, I commend your decision to resign from the offices which you held with that organization, plans for which you had announced to me a year ago. Would that you had done so then, and spared yourself your "legacy" of the past year!
I deeply regret your apparent inability to understand that support for the Intrepid Lutherans forum within the WELS was adversely affected by the forum's decision to be used by Pastor Rydecki for his denial of Objective Justification. Instead of asking Pastor Rydecki to confine his rejection of Objective Justification to his own personal website and/or that of his congregation, Intrepid Lutherans chose to permit him to use the forum to attack the public doctrine of the WELS. You yourself told me that you did not agree with his rejection of the public doctrine of the WELS in this matter, but you and the other officers of the forum obviously decided to permit his use of the forum to do so, even after his expulsion from the synod. That decision turned Intrepid Lutherans into an "anti-WELS" forum. When you as an officer of the Intrepid Lutherans forum agree to the forum publishing attacks upon the public doctrine of your own synod, you have publicly taken a position AGAINST the public doctrine your own synod.
I read with interest your remarks about how you believed that you had been falsely accused of being a "legalist" because of your defense of the historic liturgy in the forum. I find it very hard to understand how you can dismiss such accusations when you spent so much of your time in the forum attacking others' freedom in Christ regarding a matter of adiaphora. If one insists upon one specific form of adiaphora and attacks the use of other forms, upon what basis can you deny the accusation of being a "legalist"? Did you follow Matt. 18 in your criticisms of the pastors and congregations using other forms of worship? Please forgive me if I don't remember you having mentioned that you did so, either in your personal communications with me or in your posts in the forum.
You quoted Scripture in your statement; I will share a Scriptural passage with you: Gal. 6:7: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps with he sows." As an officer of the Intrepid Lutherans forum, you must take responsibility for having "sown" within the WELS attacks upon its public doctrine--in spite of your private claims to not dissent from that doctrine--as well as attacks upon the freedom in Christ of fellow members of the WELS regarding a matter of adiaphora. What has been "reaped" by the forum as a consequence of these decisions and actions? The public admission by the Intrepid Lutherans forum of loss of support for the forum by WELS members within the context of an announcement which made specific reference to a vile, anti-Christian personal blog as a source for information for forum readers, no activity within the forum for over month, and then your notice of resignation.
Support as on officer of the Intrepid Lutherans forum for attacks upon the public doctrine of the WELS and personal attacks upon the Christian liberty of your brothers and sisters in Christ within the WELS regarding matters of adiaphora are, unfortunately, your "legacy" as an officer of and participant in that forum. As a tool for discussion and constructive criticism of issues within the WELS, Intrepid Lutherans could have served a wholesome purpose, but it chose not to do so, and its current and former officers must take direct responsibility for how that forum "failed." --Warren Malach
***
GJ - Some facts are in order. Steve Spencer is a long-term friend of mine and often serves as my social secretary. Scaredy-cat WELS leaders used to ask him if they could contact me. SP Mark Schroeder went through him so he could get a hearing from me. DP Jon-Boy Buchholz did the same. I am not their spin-doctor, so they gave up on that project.
The misnamed Intrepids began because Mark Schroeder said he was being out-organized by the Jeske gang. The idea was to get a group together to support Olde WELS. I was asked to nominate WELS people who used their brains. I was also asked how they might work. I suggested a group blog, which was adopted. I refused to participate beyond that point because I already knew everything would be blamed on me - and it was.
The organizers began calling me "W" because I was blamed for every fault in the universe. I had nothing to do with their meetings or decisions. If they did research, they did it on their own, starting with key links I generously provided to everyone on this blog.
I did not even know who the key people were. I simply suggested that people I knew (from them writing to me) contact Spencer.
Steve and I worked on the Orthodox Lutheran Forum together. He got beat up for that, and he was also beat up for IL. All he had to do was publish something that made sense and the Jeske zombies went after him hammer and tong.
Those who realize the apostasy of WELS, their abuse of members--especially women and children--and their constant deceitfulness decided not see it through. When they made progress on the foundational doctrine, justification by faith, Spencer waved the white flag. I noticed that the entire group published less together than I publish alone, but (sigh) it was too much work unless more people kicked in. I offered to help on Tuesdays (an old movie joke).
In truth, the Intrepids hit the fatal third rail when they touched upon the Chief Article, the Master and Prince, the one which judges all other doctrine - Justification By Faith Alone - not Universal Absolution without Faith.
Walther's dogma is not the Chief Article of Christianity. Halle University taught Pietism, not Lutheran doctrine. Walther got his peculiar ideas from the sex cult leader of the Saxons, Bishop Martin Stephan, STD, trained at Halle but never qualified to be a pastor. He did not even have a bachelor's degree. Walther only had a rationalistic bachelor's degree - not enough to teach religion at a community college today. But Walther sure knew how to kidnap, organize a mob, steal land and gold. He was a man of rare talents, who did his best to have the early history of the Synodical Conference forgotten.
The LCMS, WELS, CLC, and micro-minis get their authority from perpetuating the myth of the infallible Walther - judge of all matters, theological and civil. Human slavery - yes! Universal forgiveness without faith - of course!
In the Synodical Conference today, one is either in the bathtub or out of the bathtub. There is no foot-bath. The micro-minis pursue the same obsession, endlessly marking who should be shunned for some offense, like criticizing their precious Church Growth. That control is what keeps the shards of the Synodical Conference together. Entire clans will shun the person who has been added to the list, but being on the list opens up new vistas.
The #2 sled dog was so sad when the lead-dog died, but his entire world-view changed from that time on. The rapidly shrinking SynCons prefer the comfort of following - no I will not say it - instead of leading.
Steve Spencer has tried twice to get through to WELS, first through the Orthodox Lutheran Forum. I remember one pastor volunteering his efforts, then bailing out. Everyone ran away like little girls because the Jeske mob had organized hissy-fits every time an issue came out.
This time Mark Schroeder (a classmate of Spencer's) clearly sided with the UOJ hive, and that hive also happens to be the Mark Jeske coven. The DPs organized hit squads to get rid of the Intrepid Lutheran signers, but they never did that with Jeske's many organizations.
Mark Schroeder even flew to Green Bay to save Ski's job and cut a deal with The CORE, according to DP Doug's public letter (spelling carefully checked). Is Ski now being replaced or not? My best researcher is so disgusted with the lying and corruption in WELS that my best source is now off-line, so to speak. The rest have been threatened into silence.
This all goes together - abuse of members and pastors, false doctrine, deception, etc. Nothing good comes from a junk tree. Gardeners tear junk trees out of the ground. The tree must be good, and faith makes that tree good, according to Jesus and Luther.
PS - Tolkien wrote:
Of course, I commend your decision to resign from the offices which you held with that organization, plans for which you had announced to me a year ago. Would that you had done so then, and spared yourself your "legacy" of the past year!
I deeply regret your apparent inability to understand that support for the Intrepid Lutherans forum within the WELS was adversely affected by the forum's decision to be used by Pastor Rydecki for his denial of Objective Justification. Instead of asking Pastor Rydecki to confine his rejection of Objective Justification to his own personal website and/or that of his congregation, Intrepid Lutherans chose to permit him to use the forum to attack the public doctrine of the WELS. You yourself told me that you did not agree with his rejection of the public doctrine of the WELS in this matter, but you and the other officers of the forum obviously decided to permit his use of the forum to do so, even after his expulsion from the synod. That decision turned Intrepid Lutherans into an "anti-WELS" forum. When you as an officer of the Intrepid Lutherans forum agree to the forum publishing attacks upon the public doctrine of your own synod, you have publicly taken a position AGAINST the public doctrine your own synod.
I read with interest your remarks about how you believed that you had been falsely accused of being a "legalist" because of your defense of the historic liturgy in the forum. I find it very hard to understand how you can dismiss such accusations when you spent so much of your time in the forum attacking others' freedom in Christ regarding a matter of adiaphora. If one insists upon one specific form of adiaphora and attacks the use of other forms, upon what basis can you deny the accusation of being a "legalist"? Did you follow Matt. 18 in your criticisms of the pastors and congregations using other forms of worship? Please forgive me if I don't remember you having mentioned that you did so, either in your personal communications with me or in your posts in the forum.
You quoted Scripture in your statement; I will share a Scriptural passage with you: Gal. 6:7: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps with he sows." As an officer of the Intrepid Lutherans forum, you must take responsibility for having "sown" within the WELS attacks upon its public doctrine--in spite of your private claims to not dissent from that doctrine--as well as attacks upon the freedom in Christ of fellow members of the WELS regarding a matter of adiaphora. What has been "reaped" by the forum as a consequence of these decisions and actions? The public admission by the Intrepid Lutherans forum of loss of support for the forum by WELS members within the context of an announcement which made specific reference to a vile, anti-Christian personal blog as a source for information for forum readers, no activity within the forum for over month, and then your notice of resignation.
Support as on officer of the Intrepid Lutherans forum for attacks upon the public doctrine of the WELS and personal attacks upon the Christian liberty of your brothers and sisters in Christ within the WELS regarding matters of adiaphora are, unfortunately, your "legacy" as an officer of and participant in that forum. As a tool for discussion and constructive criticism of issues within the WELS, Intrepid Lutherans could have served a wholesome purpose, but it chose not to do so, and its current and former officers must take direct responsibility for how that forum "failed." --Warren Malach
***
GJ - Some facts are in order. Steve Spencer is a long-term friend of mine and often serves as my social secretary. Scaredy-cat WELS leaders used to ask him if they could contact me. SP Mark Schroeder went through him so he could get a hearing from me. DP Jon-Boy Buchholz did the same. I am not their spin-doctor, so they gave up on that project.
The misnamed Intrepids began because Mark Schroeder said he was being out-organized by the Jeske gang. The idea was to get a group together to support Olde WELS. I was asked to nominate WELS people who used their brains. I was also asked how they might work. I suggested a group blog, which was adopted. I refused to participate beyond that point because I already knew everything would be blamed on me - and it was.
The organizers began calling me "W" because I was blamed for every fault in the universe. I had nothing to do with their meetings or decisions. If they did research, they did it on their own, starting with key links I generously provided to everyone on this blog.
I did not even know who the key people were. I simply suggested that people I knew (from them writing to me) contact Spencer.
Steve and I worked on the Orthodox Lutheran Forum together. He got beat up for that, and he was also beat up for IL. All he had to do was publish something that made sense and the Jeske zombies went after him hammer and tong.
Those who realize the apostasy of WELS, their abuse of members--especially women and children--and their constant deceitfulness decided not see it through. When they made progress on the foundational doctrine, justification by faith, Spencer waved the white flag. I noticed that the entire group published less together than I publish alone, but (sigh) it was too much work unless more people kicked in. I offered to help on Tuesdays (an old movie joke).
In truth, the Intrepids hit the fatal third rail when they touched upon the Chief Article, the Master and Prince, the one which judges all other doctrine - Justification By Faith Alone - not Universal Absolution without Faith.
Walther's dogma is not the Chief Article of Christianity. Halle University taught Pietism, not Lutheran doctrine. Walther got his peculiar ideas from the sex cult leader of the Saxons, Bishop Martin Stephan, STD, trained at Halle but never qualified to be a pastor. He did not even have a bachelor's degree. Walther only had a rationalistic bachelor's degree - not enough to teach religion at a community college today. But Walther sure knew how to kidnap, organize a mob, steal land and gold. He was a man of rare talents, who did his best to have the early history of the Synodical Conference forgotten.
The LCMS, WELS, CLC, and micro-minis get their authority from perpetuating the myth of the infallible Walther - judge of all matters, theological and civil. Human slavery - yes! Universal forgiveness without faith - of course!
In the Synodical Conference today, one is either in the bathtub or out of the bathtub. There is no foot-bath. The micro-minis pursue the same obsession, endlessly marking who should be shunned for some offense, like criticizing their precious Church Growth. That control is what keeps the shards of the Synodical Conference together. Entire clans will shun the person who has been added to the list, but being on the list opens up new vistas.
The #2 sled dog was so sad when the lead-dog died, but his entire world-view changed from that time on. The rapidly shrinking SynCons prefer the comfort of following - no I will not say it - instead of leading.
Steve Spencer has tried twice to get through to WELS, first through the Orthodox Lutheran Forum. I remember one pastor volunteering his efforts, then bailing out. Everyone ran away like little girls because the Jeske mob had organized hissy-fits every time an issue came out.
This time Mark Schroeder (a classmate of Spencer's) clearly sided with the UOJ hive, and that hive also happens to be the Mark Jeske coven. The DPs organized hit squads to get rid of the Intrepid Lutheran signers, but they never did that with Jeske's many organizations.
Mark Schroeder even flew to Green Bay to save Ski's job and cut a deal with The CORE, according to DP Doug's public letter (spelling carefully checked). Is Ski now being replaced or not? My best researcher is so disgusted with the lying and corruption in WELS that my best source is now off-line, so to speak. The rest have been threatened into silence.
This all goes together - abuse of members and pastors, false doctrine, deception, etc. Nothing good comes from a junk tree. Gardeners tear junk trees out of the ground. The tree must be good, and faith makes that tree good, according to Jesus and Luther.
PS - Tolkien wrote:
“Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.”
Gimli in The Two Towers.
http://escapetoreality.org/2010/09/02/top-12-j-r-r-tolkien-quotes/
