|WELS District President Doug Engelbrecht,|
Northern - Anything Goes - District.
Click here for an attorney's response to this clarion call.
|Methodist EC Craig Groeschel (far left) comparing jeans with closeted Babtist Andy Stanley.|
Andy does not admit to being Babtist at Northpoint,
just like Rick Warren at Saddleback.
|Not a Photoshop - Andy Stanley posed with Ski,|
and Ski worshiped with Stanley.
Apparently, so did Glende, Parlow, Buske and others.
DP Doug did not excommunicate them, but supported them instead.
|Not a Photoshop - Craig Groeschel.|
|Craig Groeschel - making the Word attractive...or something.|
From Craig Groeschel on using Andy Stanley material:
How To Use Someone Else’s Material
Recently I used Andy Stanley’s series, “How to Be Rich.” (If you haven’t listened to his messages, I highly recommend that you do.)
Here’s what we did:
We asked for permission. (For the record, if you use something from LifeChurch.tv Open, you don’t have to ask for permission. Since I didn’t know North Point’s stance, asking permission seemed like the right thing to do.)
We gave Andy credit publicly and sent people to his church’s website.
We sent Andy a note with a small gift to say “thank you.” (This obviously isn’t necessary, but I wanted to express my gratitude for his hard work, excellent material, and generosity.)
Parts of the series included almost exclusively his material. Other parts were very much my own. To me, he deserved full credit and honor for God’s work through him.
Several people thanked me for exposing them to North Point’s ministry. I’m thrilled to turn them on to a great spiritual resource.
When have you observed this done well?
GJ - DP Doug did not listen to an attorney from his own district, but he aped an EC Methodist from the Net!
Some have said, “If a pastor copies from one source, it’s plagiarizing. If he copies from multiple sources, he’s researching.”
This week I’d like us to talk about using other people’s material with integrity.
On LifeChurch.tv Open, we don’t require attribution for resources that people download and use. We don’t need credit nor desire it. We simply want to make anything we create freely available for other pastors and churches to use in ministry.
Sadly, we know of a couple of pastors who have been fired, in part, for “plagiarizing” our work and others whose integrity has been questioned.
Here are my thoughts:
It isn’t plagiarizing if you’re given permission.
Just because it isn’t plagiarizing doesn’t always mean you shouldn’t give credit to others.
Years ago I used material—with permission—from a friend. He had asked me not to credit him, so I didn’t.
A few people took a strong stance against me for plagiarizing. Although he didn’t desire to be mentioned, we all would have been better off if I had given credit for the material I used.
Giving credit does several valuable things:
It honors the pastor or church who came up with the idea.
It demonstrates humility and security.
It exposes a church to other great leaders and teachers.
It removes any doubt of copying.
This week, we’ll discuss when and how to give credit.
What are your initial thoughts?
|Irony defined -|
WELS constantly copies and pastes from Groeschel,
but they disagree with their hero about being honest.