Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Jeske's In-House Band




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Let's assume that the Koiné music genre might be an acceptable vehicle to carry Lutheran text. The problem is that Koiné is being put forward or seen as the ideal for the average parish to strive for. It's an untenable ideal. Most congregations (in the WELS at least) do not have the talent pool to sustain such a group for a consistent, week-after-week, "performance" in the divine service.

And "performance" is the real problem. Such a band and genre of music is performance-oriented, the antithesis of what the divine service liturgy along with its musical settings is intended to be and do.

I don't think Koiné nor its musical genre will stand the test of time. This is the newest flavor in WELS and will fade away like so many others,... like Time of Grace when Jeske is not there to mug for the camera.


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GJ - "When Jeske is not there to mug for the camera..." That reminded of one Jeske performance on TV. The camera scanned the adoring audience. But I saw a tactic used that a famous criminal lawyer employed - Jeske kissed the audience. He formed a big, silent kiss as he spoke.

Look at early tapes of Rick Warren and Robert Schuller. They looked and acted normal. Once they achieved some measure of outward success, they had another look - truly Satanic.

Jeske critics miss the fact of his occultic New Age doctrine, which permeates his horrible shows. Missouri should be saying, "No you keep him."

The entire Church and Change operation is Jeske-centered and New Age. Here is a little family tree, simplified.
  1. Asian polytheism offers a parallel to Satanism, with self-centeredness and material success as the core beliefs.
  2. . Norman Vincent Peale stole his success book from an occultic writer.
  3. Schuller borrowed Peale's doctrine and did a re-tread as Possibility Thinking.
  4. Napoleon Hill provided a business philosophy of the occult, useful in bewitching the Shrinkers, who are rather dumb.
  5. Paul Y. Cho influenced vast numbers of Evangelicals, Pentecostals, and Shrinkers with his blend of occult teaching and Pentecostalism. The Assemblies of God tossed him out. Fuller Seminary made him an honored lecturer. I shook his hand at a Billy Graham School of Evangelism, where he led the prayers.
  6. Schuller, Cho, and Warren provided a safe cover for occultic success worship. Throw down that musty theology of the cross. Hybels got rid of the cross altogether, and WELS/LCMS flocked to hear the strange little wax manikin yap.
  7. Like gay activism, Church Growthism has made its anti-Christian, Satanic philosophy into a set of assumed truths for various denominations.

Hanky Alert - Touching ELCA Story:
SPs Harrison, Schroeder, and Moldstadt
Work with This Far Left Ideology.
No Sweat.

We voted to continue working with ELCA. Goodbye.



R. Guy & Keith Fry ...

Ordination stories move church forward

R. Guy Erwin's ordination on May 11 proved quintessentially Lutheran: Two ELCA bishops and a former bishop played key roles; the service doubled as a "teaching" moment for California Lutheran University students, and the 75-member university choir led the 450-strong congregation in singing the final hymn, "A Mighty Fortress is Our God."

The symbolism rang poignantly true since Erwin, 53, serves as the Gerhard and Olga J. Belgum Chair in Lutheran Confessional Theology at CLU in Thousand Oaks; taught Lutheran studies and church history at Yale Divinity School, New Haven, Conn., for several years; and studied in Germany for his doctoral thesis on Martin Luther's era.

Also new to the ELCA roster is Keith Fry, a second-career pastor serving a growing congregation in Elgin, a traditionally politically conservative northwest suburb of Chicago. Christ the Lord Lutheran isn't in the Reconciling in Christ program, which recognizes congregations that welcome lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) believers, and hadn't discussed the issue of gay pastors before calling him.

A year-and-a-half after calling Fry, 52, the congregation is thriving, and just called a deaconess to serve as its director of ministries.

Both men exemplify how openly gay leaders are finding their full expression as rostered ELCA pastors.

Erwin and Fry are among 47 gay pastors ordained, received, reinstated, consecrated, returned to active status, or approved for ordination, reception or reinstatement since the 2009 Churchwide Assembly vote accepting partnered gay and lesbian rostered leaders, according to an unofficial tally by Lutherans Concerned/North America.

R. Guy Erwin stands before the faith
R. Guy Erwin stands before the faith community at California Lutheran University, Thousand Oaks, at his service of ordination. Behind him are Pacifica Synod Bishop Murray D. Finck (left); James Boline, pastor of St. Paul Lutheran, Los Angeles; Southwest California Synod Bishop Dean W. Nelson; Mary D. Glasspool, suffragan bishop in the Episcopal Church's Diocese of Los Angeles; and Howard Wennes, former bishop of the Grand Canyon Synod now serving at CLU.
Of the total, 20 moved from the roster of Extraordinary Lutheran Ministers, which now offers a professional support network called Proclaim for LGBTQ (the "Q" was added for "queer" because some young people use that term for themselves) rostered leaders.

Erwin, who provided a crucial last-minute vote at the assembly to adopt the gay-friendly policy, believes the ELCA is "becoming more itself" and "more authentic."

"We've understood grace too narrowly in the past," he said. "Everything that moves us away from a legalistic interpretation of God's expectations toward one that is grace-filled moves us toward being the church that Christ intended."

One could hardly imagine a more credentialed Lutheran than Erwin. A native Oklahoman and member of the Osage tribe of Native Americans, he found himself drawn to the German language and the history of Christianity while living with his parents in Germany from age 8 to 12.

"I knew even then that I wanted to be connected in some way to that long, old story of Christianity," he said. "The extent to which people had believed and sacrificed so much for the sake of the faith was really compelling for me."

Erwin was drawn to Luther and the Reformation after he took a class on German history at Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass. He was baptized during his senior year there in 1979 at University Lutheran Church and went on to study church history and earn his doctorate at Yale.

He returned from his doctoral work in Germany in 1985, just in time for the creation of the ELCA. In 1990, the ELCA suspended, and in 1996 expelled, two San Francisco congregations that had ordained gay and lesbian pastors — Jeff Johnson of First United and Ruth Frost and Phyllis Zillhart of St. Francis.

The church's actions dissuaded Erwin from going to seminary, and its rule requiring that gay rostered leaders be celibate cemented his decision to stay away from the pastorate. Yet Erwin said he has never felt bitter because he fulfilled his calling by teaching and by helping establish a Lutheran studies program when he taught at Yale Divinity.

"I was pretty influential in the formation of a number of people who are now Lutheran clergy," he said. "That was very rewarding for me, but a little ironic since I was teaching people how to be pastors when I couldn't be one myself."

Erwin, who is fluent in German, got over his initial misgivings that the 2009 policy had come too late for someone his age when his mentor, the late former synod bishop Paul Egertson, reminded him that the church had been calling him all his life.

In August 2010, Erwin started his candidacy process. He is now ordained into specialized ministry at the university rather than into parish ministry.

And then there's Fry ...

Fry said he "saw the Spirit's leading and the Spirit's hands" in his call to Christ the Lord since he entered seminary in fall 2005 and graduated in June 2009 — just two months before the ELCA assembly's vote.

"There were definitely anxious moments leading up to the vote," he said.

A longtime active ELCA member known for his leadership in music, outreach and preaching, Fry garnered the unanimous recommendation of Christ the Lord's council and received the congregation's call two weeks after the assembly vote.

Fry chose Reformation Sunday 2009 as his ordination day. Bishop Wayne Miller of the Metropolitan Chicago Synod presided at the ceremony — the first ordination held at Christ the Lord.

After Fry started his tenure about a dozen members left, including some of the largest donors. Yet pledge commitments are up this year from 2010, and the church last year received 24 new members and baptized seven babies.

"It is a wonderful example of how, if we can set aside the fears and the stereotypes, a congregation that hasn't even had the conversation can successfully call a pastor because of his or her gifts," Fry said.

Amalia Vagts, executive director of Extraordinary Lutheran Ministries, said the group intends to continue to support and build up the ELCA. "Our organization has always been about expanding ministry opportunities," she said. "The way we do that just evolves over time."

The group built a roster of 46 people from 1990 until 2009, of which 18 were ordained after they had completed a candidacy process that mirrored the ELCA's.

"We are now focused on candidacy accompaniment — walking alongside LGBTQ people who need our resources to give them advice and coaching and provide chaplain support," Vagts said.

The ELCA rostering process, she noted, can be more difficult for people who have cloaked their sexuality for much of their lives than for young adults who have always been out.

"There is still a great deal of education that needs to happen in this church," Vagts said.

Neither Fry nor Erwin joined the ELM roster.

The two have something else in common. Each is in a long-term relationship rivaling the length of many U.S. marriages. Fry just celebrated his 20th anniversary with his partner, while Erwin is in his 17th year with his partner.

One Lord, One Faith, One Insurance Company, One Big Laugh
Thrivent's commitment to homosexual activism is linked here.


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GJ - Can you figure out why people are leaving ELCA, when The Lutheran magazine features stories like this - easily available on the denomination's website?

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Censure against Missouri congregation lifted

Anita Hill cleared for clergy roster


For nearly 10 years members of Abiding Peace Lutheran Church in North Kansas City, Mo., worshiped under public censure and admonition for hiring a pastor in a committed same-sex relationship. In January, the censure was lifted.

"It's an amazing feeling," said Donna Simon, who has served as pastor since August 2000. "Now there's reconciliation, and we're part of the [church] that we've loved for so long. The lifting of the censure touched us emotionally."

Simon said when she accepted the call to serve the congregation, "we entered into uncharted territory."

Gerald L. Mansholt, bishop of the Central States Synod, said Simon has through the years "been a good steady voice, a good partner in the struggle and she has the respect of a lot of people with different views. She is a generous soul with a kind heart who speaks the truth out of her own faith-life experiences."

In a Jan. 25 letter to the congregation, Mansholt formally lifted the public censure and admonition.

 
Elsewhere, the candidacy committee of the St. Paul Area Synod in February supported Anita Hill for inclusion to the ELCA clergy roster. She has served St. Paul Reformation Lutheran Church, St. Paul, Minn., for nine years as pastor and for 14 years prior as lay pastoral minister.
 
The panel asked that Hill be added to the clergy roster upon the implementation of the Vision and Expectations policy changes approved by the Churchwide Assembly. (See also "Sexuality issue causes division, sadness — and hope.")

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St. Paul Area Synod lifts sanctions on two congregations


On Jan. 15, Peter Rogness, bishop of the St. Paul Area Synod, lifted sanctions — but retained official admonitions — imposed by his predecessor on two of its congregations.
It was St. Paul-Reformation's 2000 decision to call as a pastor Anita Hill, a lesbian in a committed relationship, that prompted its censure. Hosanna! was censured for commissioning and licensing parishioners to function as full pastors.

The reasons were disparate for the sanctions imposed by Mark S. Hanson, former synod bishop, on Hosanna! (Lakeville, Minn.) and St. Paul-Reformation (St. Paul, Minn.) Lutheran churches — but the results were the same. Neither lay people nor clergy from either congregation were allowed to serve on the synod council or on any synod committee or team. The sanctions were expected to remain in place until the congregations conformed to ELCA constitutional requirements or the ELCA changed those conditions.

July 12th Anniversaries



Benjamin Rusch has left a new comment on your post "McCain - Buy My ESV Bible. Otten - Buy My AAT. WEL...":

Happy Twelfth, Pastor GJ! I hope you're wearing an orange shirt today...

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GJ - Readers must wonder, since they come from so many cultures.

David Beckham and his wife just celebrated their 12th anniversary.

Neptune completed its first orbit since being discovered 165 years ago.

July 12th is also the 450th anniversary of St. Basil's in Moscow. Bethany's WEF will be modeled after St. Basil's, if funds permit.

But orange is the clue. Here is the holiday.

Little did Notre Dame suspect that I arrived as a descendant of English and French Protestants. 
One ancestor was the richest man in Scotland until he wanted his loan to the king repaid.
Notre Dame gave me a full scholarship, so I wrote Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant.


McCain - Buy My ESV Bible.
Otten - Buy My AAT.
WELS - Luv, Luv, Luv the New NIV.
Ichabod Hearts the English Luther Bible.


The three giants of Enthusiasm - McCain, Otten, and WELS - promote three different translations of the Bible.

England thanked Tyndale for his solo translation of the Scriptures, by burning him to death.



All Lutherans (the ELCA branch too) once used the King James Version, which has this interesting history:
  1. Luther and his associates translated the Bible into German from the original languages.
  2. Tyndale translated the Bible into English, from the original languages, working directly with Luther and his associates. Tyndale was burned at the stake for his trouble.
  3. Following Queen Elizabeth's enlightened reign, King James I authorized a single translation of the Bible in English, appointing a group of scholars. This version was meant to be read aloud in church, so precision and clarity of language were important.
  4. The King James Version was issued in 1611, four centuries ago, and it turned out to be a slightly revised version of the Tyndale. One man could have been an ancestor of Paul Kelm. Scholars are divided.
  5. The 1611 KJV was revised slightly, for spelling and punctuation. “It is true that there were revisions. The first was in 1629 by Samuel Ward and John Bois, who had worked on the original translation. The second was in 1638 by the Cambridge University Press. The third was in 1762 by Dr. Thomas Paris of Trinity College, Cambridge. The fourth was in 1769 by Dr. Benjamin Blayney. The changes, though, were of a very minor nature. They were largely a correction of printing errors, an updating of italics, spelling, and punctuation, and modernizing of some obsolete words. The changes also involved the addition of a large number of new marginal notes and cross-references. How different, then, is the King James Bible today than the one in 1611? The following authoritative answer is by Dr. Donald Waite of Bible for Today ministry. It is authoritative because he took the time to examine this challenge first hand by diligently and laboriously comparing every word of the 1611 KJV with a standard KJV in publication today. Following is his testimony:...” (David Cloud, “Was the 1611 King James Bible Different Than Those We Have Today?”)
  6. Although there were various English translation attempts over the years, such as the Goodspeed, no single translation really caught on. 
  7. The watershed effort was the radical Left's National Council of Churches Revised Standard Version. All the mainline denominations--units of the NCC--worked to get this translation accepted, even though the propagandists removed the Virgin Birth from Isaiah 7:14.
  8. After the RSV caught on, new fad translations began to appear several times a year: Cottonpatch, Jerusalem, Good News, Living Bible, and the AAT.
  9. Just as liturgical worship began to be an exceptional experience, so also was the use of the KJV and the Concordia Triglotta. WELS praised and de-listed Gausewitz. Missouri kept its KJV catechism and buried justification by faith under froth and foam of UOJ.

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And I noticed today that over on Ickyblog, the resident writer there was whining about behavior that is not "civil."

I gave that one a big old LOL.

I honestly think that man is oblivious to his behavior. Funny how he can dish it out, but he can not, absolutely can not, take it.

Classic bully behavior.

Again, as always, funny is not so tragic.


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Pope Paul,

Try tending to your own pot's swarthy hue . . . The irony is now doubly so.

Jeske's In-House Band - Another Business Venture
For Church and Change

Question from a WELS member:

"What do you think about WELS churches hosting CD releasing events (and, of course, charging admission)? Is there anything unscriptural about this practice?"

GJ - It is Scriptural. Jesus drove the money-changers from the Temple courtyard, made a whip of His belt, poured out the coins, and overturned tables. "You have turned the House of God into a den of thieves!"

KJV Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

People can serve in many ways, but Lutherans have always discouraged turning such service into money-making ventures. Thrivent paved the way, turning the worship bulletin into one more ad for a product. Maybe Koine should wear Thrivent shirts to thank the bosses in Appleton. The tentacles of Church and Change, where Jeske is the allegedly invisible boss, reach everywhere, into the LCMS as well.

Common Language, Common People, Extraordinary Message

Koiné's humble roots originate in the heartland of America, in a city known for its rich German history, its famous barley and hops, and many festivals - Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It's here that five unique artists, each with their own talents and abilities, came together in 2003 to put a new twist on traditional, Lutheran music. Staring at each other, blankly, with their instruments in one hand and their hymnals in the other, Koiné set about reinventing the way we listen to hymns.

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To date, Koiné has toured across 32 states since its inception, producing 4 studio albums and a repertoire of over 200 hymns and liturgical pieces. They sell their CD’s all over the world in places as far Germany, Australia and Hong Kong. This year alone, Koiné will play around 200 events at churches, community festivals, grade schools, high schools, and colleges. This is a full-time ministry for the members of the group, and is supported almost entirely by the generosity of people who come to their events.

The group consists of: Brian Davison - singer, Tracy Fedke - singer, Seth Bauer - piano, Seth Kock - drums, Benj Lawrenz - guitar, and Matt Scott - Bass.

Koiné is a Greek word that means “common.” Koiné Greek was the language that the New Testament was originally written in. It was a common language for the common man - everyone could understand it. The members of Koiné are common people too. They play common instruments and common hymns that many know and enjoy. The only extraordinary thing about Koiné and what they do is the message that they proclaim through the music they play. The same message of the Bible - Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Jeske's In-House Band - Another Business Venture F...":

One of the many problems with generic Christianity in this country is the failure to draw boundaries around activities that are deemed to be churchy. Koine's performances during worship services is a good example of this. A Divine Service meant that at most times, the organ and other instruments were behind the worshipers. They were there, but not central to the Divine Service. The worshipers should see the altar and the cross. This is central to the message. Orchestra pits in the front and praise bands within view are a distraction.

Koine performed a benefit concert once for our son in an ALHS gymnasium. This is a more appropriate venue for them.

Monday, July 11, 2011

Why Does SP Harrison Kiss Up To Paul McCain,
In Public, No Less?

Habemus papam! Habemus papam!


The LutherQuesies are enjoying another round about Ichabod. Pope Paul the Unlearned continues to ignore the boundaries of civil society. CPH, to everyone's surprise, backs him up.

My surprise is seeing SP Harrison virtually shining McCain's shoes on repeated Facebook posts. It is touching to see such devotion. It reminds me of J. Edgar Hoover's vacation snapshots with Clyde Tolson.

Plus SP Harrison photos of McCain visiting the Neville Chamberlain office at the Purple Palace, where he and Al Barry prepared Missouri for Jerry Kieschnick, women's ordination, and bankruptcy. "Oh the times we had," the photos seem to say. We snookered Otten and Bob Preus, while fooling their followers. Such fun!"

I expect periodic outbursts from McCain. He was never tempered by academic success or real parish work. The nuns at his Roman Catholic school probably abused him, or worse, flattered their token Lutheran.

Harrison's repeated identification with McCain puzzled me, until I realized - Paul must have delivered a lot of votes during the most political campaign in Missouri's very political history.

They were so obvious that I expected home visits from the highly paid Issues Etc staff, comp trips to St. Louis, and a lifetime subscription to the Arch books.

When the campaign was still on, and McCain still had posting rights on ALPB, someone asked him about Harrison. He made a remark about Harrison and the banjo. The remark sounded like a putdown, but I later realized it was a smokescreen. McCain was running another campaign for another LINO.

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bruce-church (http://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Why Does SP Harrison Kiss Up To Paul McCain, In Pu...":

For those who missed it, make sure to see the cartoon: "Harrison's & McCain's Excellent Adventure". The title is a rip-off of "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" for sure:

Excellent Adventures
http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2011/07/excellent-adventures.html

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Ted's_Excellent_Adventure

Cardinal Sins:
German Churches Open Files To Outside Investigators

Sex Abuse in the Catholic Church

Bishops Open Personnel Files to Investigators

Catholic bishops in Germany are currently conducting an investigation into sexual abuse in the church that is unprecedented in its scale in Europe.
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Catholic bishops in Germany are currently conducting an investigation into sexual abuse in the church that is unprecedented in its scale in Europe.
The credibility of the Catholic Church in Germany has suffered enormously as a result of allegations of sexual abuse. Now the country's bishops have ordered investigations of an unprecedented scale in Europe. SPIEGEL has learned the church will provide external investigators with access to personnel files in all 27 dioceses. 

The Catholic Church in Germany is seeking to win back the public's trust with an investigation into sexual abuse by priests and people of the order that is unprecedented in Europe in terms of its scale. The bishops plan to provide staff at the Criminological Research Institute of Lower Saxony (KFN), an independent institute based in Hanover, with access to all personnel files for the past 10 years in all 27 of its dioceses in Germany. Nine of the 27 dioceses are providing access to personnel data going as far back as 1945.


The German Bishops' Conference, the governing body of the Catholic Church in Germany, voted unanimously in favor of the move on June 20. Under the supervision of a KFN team comprised of retired prosecutors and judges, church workers will sift through files in search of possible evidence of sexual abuse. In a second phase, the KFN team is then expected to assess the files in cases where there are suspicions.


They then plan to distribute a questionnaire to victims who can still be found in which they will be asked to provide more details about the incidents. In cases where there is interest, they would also like to conduct extensive interviews with both the victims and, if they are willing, the perpetrators. The Bishops' Conference is hoping to use the study to determine the circumstances that led to the crimes, how the church dealt with the allegations in the past and what lessons can be learned in order to prevent new cases of sexual abuse from happening.

In a further study, a group of psychiatrists associated with Norbert Leygraf, a prominent court expert in the city of Essen, will present their analysis of 50 cases in which priests or other church workers were tried on charges of sexual abuse and given psychiatric evaluations. The German bishops plan to present the findings of the three-year study this week and said they would not comment on the findings in advance.

The Error of Modern Missouri



The Error of Modern Missouri is available at this Dropbox link.

Stellhorn did not kidnap anyone in Europe or America, so we know he was a heretic.

The pseudo-Lutherans will start crying out because I linked the book, but do not worry - they never read it. And they never will.

If something is not from the Walther School of Cult Wizardry, it is suspect to them.

Please Download the Free PDF
The Story of Jesus in Pictures,
By Norma Boeckler, Our Resident Artist.
Text by Ichabod



I have posted a rough draft of
which is a children's book, with art by Norma Boeckler. Norma did most of the work.
The cover is also my quick version, so I could get a couple of proofs done.

Two more illustrations are being done - the baptism and the resurrection of Jesus. I am thinking of a summary statement at the end.
 
This can be used in world missions as well as in families with young children.It could also be translated easily because there is very little text and very simple sentences.

You can download the PDF for free (now and forever).
I am interested in your ideas and opinions.  

Church and Change is passionate about evangelism, or at least passionate in talking about evangelism. I am sure they will endorse this effort soon.

Brett Meyer Responds to Cone



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Creating New Dogmas By Putting Words in God's Mout...":

Cone, I've published the following a few years ago and as Becker's essay on Justification is the norm of UOJ doctrine for the (W)ELS it should fulfill your request. These quotes from Becker are very clear to his departure from Scripture and the Confessions. I've posted the Scripture passages that reject his false teaching concerning UOJ - the chief article of (W)ELS, LCMS, ELCA, CLC and the New Age religion. (Scripture is KJV)

Becker, "But universal and objective justification is one doctrine whose place in the victorious Christian life is clear. Wherever men teach that faith comes first as a condition that must be fulfilled or a work that must be done or even as a fact that must be recognized before forgiven(ess) is bestowed (Note here bestowed = imputed) Mark 2:5, "When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee." or becomes real, Mark 4:12, "That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." men will be trained to look into their own hearts for assurance rather than to the words and promises of God. If my sins are forgiven only if I first have faith Acts 10:43, "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." then I have no solid foundation on which to rest my hope for eternal life Romans 8:24, "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?" I must then know that I have faith before I can know that my sins are forgiven John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." But there are times when a Christian does not know that he has faith Mark 16:16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Romans 10:9, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." And many people who think they have faith do not have it, and many that think they are not believers are believing children of God Hebrews 11:6, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." In regard to our own faith we may be in error or filled with doubt Romans 14:23, "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

But there is nothing uncertain in the truth that is proclaimed in the Gospel. Your sin is taken away, wiped out, forgiven, cancelled, swallowed up in the empty grave in Joseph’s garden. To that we must cling. To that we can cling. On that we can build a solid hope that will not make us ashamed. In times of temptation when I am no longer aware of my faith, when my heart tells me that I am an unbeliever, I have no place to turn for assurance if faith must come before forgiveness Romans 4:16, "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" But if forgiveness comes first, if it is always there, if it is true whether I believe it or not, I do not need to know whether I have faith or not before I can cling to God’s promise Romans 11:20, "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.") (2 Cor. 13:5, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? I know that my sins are forgiven whether I feel forgiven or unforgiven. I know that my iniquity is pardoned whether I believe it or not Romans 9:31-32, "But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith" And when I know that, then I know also that I am a believer James 2:19, "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." Knowledge without faith does not make someone a believer - the devils know Christ paid for the worlds sin but are not believers). John teaches us that when he writes, “Brethren, if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart and knows all things.” Take away objective and universal justification and you have gone a long way toward cutting the heart out of the Gospel message.


The United Church of Christ Reveals the End-Game
For the for NIV Feminazi Translation:
The Sausage Factory Loves It





United Church of Christ

The Book of Worship of the United Church of Christ provides an Order for Baptism and orders for Affirmation of Baptism. The recognition of our baptism by the ecumenical church is important to us, and the Book of Worship encourages the use of language recognized in most Christian churches: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." Feminine images for God may surround these words to enrich understandings and offer balance.


Thrivent's Commitment To Homosexual Activism:
Addie Butler a Leader with LCNA (Started with ELCA Funds) Just Like the Changers with WELS Funds

Not without reason is Church and Change dominant in Thrivent's headquarter city - Appleton.



Jimmy James has left a new comment on your post "Mark and Avoid Jeske Sits on the Thrivent Board:"I...":

I see Mark is seated right next to the beloved Addie Butler. Yes, the same Addie Butler who started up the Delaware Chapter of 'Lutherans Concerned' and was also a VP in ELCA.

What is 'Lutherans Concerned' you ask? Well....it's a homosexual advocacy organization for homosexual 'Lutherans'.

Oh! Did I mention that Thrivent for Lutherans (aka: 'The Lutheran Knights of Columbus') is in a business relationship with the folks at LC? Here's a couple of links:

http://www.lcna.org/lcna/donations

http://www.lcna.org/images/stories/downloads/evergreen_giving_form.pdf

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Money makes the District Puppydogs especially affectionate toward false doctrine.




GJ - I predict the District Puppydogs will be wagging their tails and dry-humping Jeske's leg at the WELS convention.

I do not have exact figures, but here are some estimates about Thrivent's ownership of the Big Four Synods - ELCA, LCMS, WELS, ELS. The rest are a fraction of 1%.

LCMS - a known figure - Harrison says Missouri gets $50 to 60 million a year from Thrivent.

WELS estimate - based on membership alone, I estimate about $6 million in grants.

ELCA estimate - They probably get at least $100 million, but perhaps more because they are more affluent per member than the other groups. They are also more educated as a group, so that is a good group to insure.

The Little Sect on the Prairie
- They might get $500,000 and a carton of Thrivent napkins.

"Confessional" WELS leaders lack credibility, especially when they promote synod infallibility.

Dropbox Alert


Ichabod kittehs have a new weapon tool - Dropbox. Large files can be exchanged easily - for free.


I have started to use Dropbox more often. A WELS pastor (name withheld) introduced me to it. The free technology allows me to share very large files, almost instantly.

I have sent invitations to some people who may enjoy it. If you want to be added, send me an email at:

gregjackson1948@qwest.net

Don't bother adding me to your spam lists. I have a filter for that, so only valid emails appear.

Dropbox can be handy for sharing files, for using different computers and having files available (instead of relying on the thumb drive).

Here is the link spelled out, in case you are a Mequon MDiv - https://www.dropbox.com

It is not a backup system, but it can be used for that.

I can picture using it to hold the backup of Ichabod, which is at least 50 megs. Big files cannot be emailed, normally. I tried to send a rough draft of the children's book by email. Epic Fail.




Sunday, July 10, 2011

Mark and Avoid Jeske Sits on the Thrivent Board:
"It's over man."


Thrivent



Board of Directors

Under the Articles of Incorporation (PDF, 545K), the board of directors is Thrivent Financial's supreme governing body.
The board directs the management of the fraternal benefit society's affairs and has oversight responsibility in all matters involving Thrivent Financial for Lutherans.

Board Members


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Jimmy James has left a new comment on your post "Mark and Avoid Jeske Sits on the Thrivent Board:"I...":

I see Mark is seated right next to the beloved Addie Butler. Yes, the same Addie Butler who started up the Delaware Chapter of 'Lutherans Concerned' and was also a VP in ELCA.

What is 'Lutherans Concerned' you ask? Well....it's a homosexual advocacy organization for homosexual 'Lutherans'.

Oh! Did I mention that Thrivent for Lutherans (aka: 'The Lutheran Knights of Columbus') is in a business relationship with the folks at LC? Here's a couple of links:

http://www.lcna.org/lcna/donations

http://www.lcna.org/images/stories/downloads/evergreen_giving_form.pdf

Creating New Dogmas By Putting Words in God's Mouth



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "The Owner of Your Yummy New Translation, WELS, Is ...":

The UOJists put words in God's mouth when they teach their two justifications. The (W)ELS will dictate when God was speaking subjectively and when he was speaking objectively, in a narrower sense and in a wider sense. All in an attempt to establish their own righteousness and forgiveness of sins before, and now clearly, without the Holy Spirit's faith. Christ on the other hand is supremely clear and concise with His Word.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
http://www.htmlbible.com/kjv30/index.htm

The Lutheran Synods have made a mockery of Christ's doctrine of Justification and have murdered the souls of many who now cling to their new gospel promise that they were justified, forgiven of all sin and declared righteous by God before faith - in fact, it is this declaration that the (W)ELS, ELS, CLC, ELCA and LCMS teach is the only thing that can create their faith.

In the words of the WELS Our Great Heritage, "And yet many Lutherans still labor under the delusion that God does not forgive us unless we believe. Instead of seeing faith as nothing more than the spiritual hand with which we make the forgiveness of God our own, they see it as a reason why God forgives us. They believe that Christ has indeed provided forgiveness for all men, that God is willing to forgive them, but before he really forgives he first of all demands that we should be sorry for our sins and that we should have faith. Just have faith they say, and then God will forgive you. All the right words are there. The only thing wrong is that the words are in the wrong order. God does not forgive us IF we have faith. He has forgiven us long ago when he raised his Son from the dead." (p. 59)

"If forgiveness were dependent on faith in the sense that God does not forgive until we believe, we would always have to be sure that we are believers before we would be sure that we are forgiven." (p.60)


And from DP Jon Buchholz' 2005 UOJ Conference paper, "God has forgiven the whole world. God has forgiven everyone his sins." This statement is absolutely true!"

"God has declared the entire world righteous." This statement is true, as we understand it to mean that God has rendered a verdict of "not-guilty" toward the entire world."

http://www.wlsessays.net/node/390

For examples of the Lutheran Synods two justifications and the application of individual interpretation to determine when God was using which here are the links to the Bailing Water discussions of UOJ.

http://bailingwater.blogspot.com/2009/02/wels-woes.html

http://bailingwater.blogspot.com/2009/05/synod-convention.html?showComment=1243625067867#c6667421378880254188

UOJ

The Third Sunday after Trinity




The Third Sunday after Trinity, 2011


Pastor Gregory L. Jackson

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bethany-lutheran-worship

Bethany Lutheran Church, 10 AM Central Time


The Hymn # 652 I Lay My Sins on Jesus 1.24
The Confession of Sins
The Absolution
The Introit p. 16
The Gloria Patri
The Kyrie p. 17
The Gloria in Excelsis
The Salutation and Collect p. 19
The Epistle and Gradual
The Gospel
Glory be to Thee, O Lord!
Praise be to Thee, O Christ!
The Nicene Creed p. 22
The Sermon Hymn #436 The Lord’s My Shepherd 1.33
Gracious Lost and Found
The Communion Hymn # 190 Christ Is Arisen 1:52
The Preface p. 24
The Sanctus p. 26
The Lord's Prayer p. 27
The Words of Institution
The Agnus Dei p. 28
The Nunc Dimittis p. 29
The Benediction p. 31
The Hymn # 350 Jesus the Very Thought of Thee 1:53

KJV 1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. 10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

KJV Luke 15:1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. 2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them. 3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying, 4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. 8 Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it? 9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost. 10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

Third Sunday After Trinity
Lord God, heavenly Father, we all like sheep have gone astray, having suffered ourselves to be led away from the right path by Satan and our own sinful flesh: We beseech Thee graciously to forgive us all our sins for the sake of Thy Son, Jesus Christ; and quicken our hearts by Thy Holy Spirit, that we may abide in Thy word, and in true repentance and a steadfast faith continue in Thy Church unto the end, and obtain eternal salvation, through our Lord Jesus Christ, Thy Son, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Ghost, one true God, world without end Amen.

Gracious Lost and Found
These two parables introduce the Prodigal Son. Four of the most comforting passages include these three parables and the Good Samaritan. (The Good Samaritan has been turned into a works-sermon by the law salesmen, but just the opposite is true.)

One of the best ways to read any given text in the Bible is to study the beginning and what follows. Although many sections stand on their own, as intended in the readings of the early Church, the context means a lot. I doubt whether people were so impatient then as they are now. A Gospel may be read out loud in two hours or so (Mark serving as a Broadway play).

Written manuscripts had great value because they were rare and expensive. That alone would make people treasure the written Word of God the way people treasure collectibles today.

For a time I followed the world of book collecting. First editions are rather rare, since no one knows if a book will sell. Moby Dick did not sell well, so the publisher did not replace the ones burned up in a warehouse fire. Demand makes a price go up even more. One Twain book was yanked and altered, so the very first printing, which I held in my hands, was worth $40,000. But the first Harry Potter was worth $160,000 – kept locked in a safe.

We should treasure the Word of God far more than ordinary books.

There is another parallel. First editions are almost always cheap editions, because little is expected in that gambling game called publishing. A row of first editions in a book store looks like a bookshelf in a Salvation Army store. The covers are rather ordinary and the slipcovers a bit worn.

Because the Word of God seems so ordinary to many, they overlook its value and pass it by, in favor of the latest soap opera novel or sports bio.

We should not pass by these two parables, since they emphasize the essential nature of the Gospel – Jesus welcomes sinners.

Setting

Luke 15:1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. 2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.

Here we have two groups of people. One group consists of the tax collectors (publicans) and the blatant carnal sinners. The term used does not mean sinner in the sense that everyone is a sinner, but someone so obviously engage in carnal behavior that no one can miss it. They know they have no righteousness in them.

The second group consists of Pharisees and scribes, holy and pious men who are good examples to everyone. They are models of rectitude, good citizens, and devout in all their religious practices. They trust in their own righteousness. They really belong with the angels in heaven, as Luther said, and not here on earth with blatant, carnal sinners.

These two parables are meant to comfort all sinners and to disturb those who trust in their own righteousness. Both examples are best understood by those who feel crushed by their sin and suffer from the terrors of the conscience.

That does not mean that these parables are only for hookers, gamblers, and drunks, but also for those who feel the weight of sin for whatever reason, or are weighted down by depression. Those who grew up in an atmosphere of accusation, criticism, and verbal abuse often suffer terribly from an overly-sensitive conscience, from never hearing comfort or love from parents.

I was sitting with a successful salesman, who was suffering. He spoke a few minutes, and I said, “Your father was a big success, but he was very critical of you, wasn’t he?” That diagnosis hit the switch and he responded immediately. His father was far too strict and demanding, far too careful about expressions of love and concern. In such cases, the comfort of Gospel is there but seems blocked by a wall of experience, as if God is saying, “This is not for you, because you are not good enough yet.”

Those who suffer emotionally are often as despised as some poor tramp parked on a bench in the park.

We can hear the sharp tongues of the Scribes and Pharisees, murmuring among themselves that Jesus not only associated with open, carnal sinners, but even sat down to dine with them – the ultimate compliment. What happened to the shunning so carefully taught in Pharisaic Judaism?

Shunning is still the main practice today. People make sure that they are no friends with anyone on the outs with the elite. All it takes is one word or question and the steel door of shunning is activated. Former friends show discomfort when a friendly hello is said. Emails stop. Unfriending on Facebook begins. Suddenly people ask, abruptly, “Why are you being so….?” One man was leaving his synod. A famous Lutheran seminary professor gave him the finger, in front of other students. When the exile returned, a group of people were suddenly friendly again.

The Mennonites did not invent this, but they brought its practice to a new, low level. The Left practices it ruthlessly, but so does the Syn Conference. Self-righteousness is phony comfort – and only lasts a few years.

3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying, 4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Jesus knew what was in their hearts, so he rebuked them with a clear, obvious example. This kind of teaching can have two opposite effects. Someone who reads them as a works-promoting Pharisee will be offended and dismiss them. Someone who needs the comfort of the Gospel will dwell on their meaning and apply them.

The Gospel of forgiveness is healing and strengthening. When the doctor showed that I had high blood pressure, I received a sample of the medicine to treat it. The medicine tells the heart to stop working so hard. I took one pill with water and immediately felt the effect. It was almost instant.

With many medicines we forget to take the entire dose over a period of time. Antibiotics are like that. People start the regimen, feel better, and forget the stronger germs are just waiting for their moment to rebound. They do and the individual is twice as sick as before.

Obviously blood pressure medicine is needed every single day. Someone can skip a day or reduce the dose, but there is a lot of risk behind such denial.

The Gospel is a daily medicine. We remains sinners in need of it and will always be sinners as long as we are on this earth, but the Gospel Promises keep granting us forgiveness, received in faith, based upon the Atonement of Christ.

Jesus gave an example to stop the mouths of the Scribes and Pharisees. No one can refute the earthly example. We are attached to the animals we own and the pets we have. No matter how short-lived they are, and their less than perfect behavior, we worry about them. Precious has never adjusted to domestic life. She is a jittery Shetland sheepdog who will jump at the sound of paper rustling. She was in trouble for not going outdoors, and she displayed guilt for her behavior. Later, she got up on the bed and cuddled during a Columbo movie. It’s difficult to stay unhappy with rescue pets, when we look at their past. No one wanted Precious or Treasure, but they have given us lots of affection and laughter. Sassy is a legend in two areas (Phoenix and NW Arkansas) because of her intelligence, personality, and skills.

How many shepherds would stay with their 99 sheep when one is lost and in peril? Jesus knew the answer to that. A shepherd would leave his flock with a companion and go out to seek the lost sheep.

A sheep by itself will find itself surrounded by predators and difficult land to cross. Where is the water and the food? Soon it will be food for others.

The best touch of this narrative is the concise description of finding the sheep.
5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

He does not lead it home, but carries it home on his shoulders. Likewise, God does not drive us to the pastures where we belong, using a whip or a staff, but carries us in His love. Those good things which happen are the result of His Word and His will, not our great skills and talents.

In addition, the shepherd with the lost sheep invites his friends and neighbors to join him in the celebration. “Rejoice with me.” No word is said about the weakness or foolishness of the sheep. Everyone knows what they are like.

So Isaiah said, “All we, like sheep, have gone astray, each to his own way.”


But there is a second conclusion to this story, in case people miss the impact of the example given. Jesus Himself applied the Word, which we must grasp and keep close to us in our understanding of the Gospel Promises:

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Jesus is quite emphatic in saying that heaven rejoices more over a repentant sinner than over 99 righteous who do not need to repent. This is satire, because the Pharisees and Scribes are the worst sinners, sinning in their hearts for condemning Jesus and the open, carnal sinners. Doubtless the carnal sinners were filled with peace and comfort from believing in Christ and receiving His forgiveness, which did not mean Go and sin some more, but Go and sin no more.

The righteous (in their own minds) do not need to repent, so their hardened hearts do not see or comprehend the Gospel. They may say the words but the meaning is alien to them.

As I said before, the chief benefit of writing for the Net is re-uniting old friends. Some stay way in the background, because the Pharisees watch who associates with me. Others are routinely in touch with me. A little girl turned into a college student (overnight!) and we enjoy seeing that happen.

The true Gospel unites people and it also drives people apart. The Word of God is sharper than any double-edged sword. It discerns all our thoughts, so some go by the wayside, content to cling to the familiar falsehoods. Others hear the Shepherd’s voice and follow Him.

Two advocates of Universal Objective Justification (Glende and Patterson) have excommunicated families for questioning UOJ. The families did what is expected. Hat in hand, they asked if they could please discuss some issues. The leaders avoided discussion. One DP (Englebrecht) even hid from the meeting. So they are left with this question, “If they were forgiven before they were born, why are they NOT forgiven now, for asking about doctrinal issues?”