From Bailing Water:
John said...
Holy Synod... my comment box was filled with less than Christian comments about my post of Rev. Kelm's call back to 2929. The troopers must be out in force from calling me that other word for a donkey to naming me the antichrist. You would have thought that I had said:
• Rev. Kelm believes that contemporary worship dates further back than the historical liturgy,
• or that he uses reformed sermons,
• or that he needs to add footnotes to his copied sermons
• or that you can use logic to win a soul for Christ
• or that a pastor uses a rob
I am not meddling in another man's call. I simply printed what has occurred and my opinion. So have any of you pastors had a call in which a member expressed his or her opinion on what you should do. Is that impinging on the work of the Holy Spirit?
Do we need a parish consultant?
Do we need Paul Kelm consulting?
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Anonymous said...
You people are crazy, especially you, Bespoke. Call Prez Schroeder and ask him if he and Kelm share the same theology and whether Kelm is a pastor in good standing in the WELS or not. Here's a bulletin for you, they do and he is.
Sheesh, as if Schroeder doesn't know what is going on... If he doesn't then he is incompentent (sic). He isn't and he does.
Beano "The Jackson Jackhammer"
October 2, 2008 12:23 PM
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Anonymous said...
Dear Wow,
Yeah, that's exactly what I said (said dripping with sarcasm).
Apparently you think the Synod Office Buidling (sic) is like some multinational comglomerate (sic) where the top man doesn't know what is going on. There are a half dozen "called" positions there and everyone knows what is going on. You don't think Schroeder reads the call lists and knows what is going on? (He read this blog for cripes sake!)
Besides why should Schroeder care if Kelm is called, they share the same theology and Kelm is a pastor in good standing in the WELS.
Beano [GJ - Obviously a Sausage Factory grad - cannot spell, tendency toward fulmination]
October 2, 2008 10:51 PM
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Anonymous said...
"There are a half dozen "called" positions there and everyone knows what is going on. You don't think Schroeder reads the call lists and knows what is going on?"
First of all, there are far, far more than half a dozen called positions in the synod. There are more than half a dozen Parish Assistance consultants alone! When you consider all the professors and administrators in the synod there are over 100 called synod positions.
Second of all, of course Schroeder sees the call lists. But by that point what's he supposed to do? Interfere with a divine call by leveraging his position? I surely hope that's not what you are expecting him to do. Would you advocate a congregational president leveraging his authority in a congregational call meeting to get the guy he wants?
I'd rather have a guy like Kelm as a consultant than have people playing politics with divine calls.
October 3, 2008 7:37 AM
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Anonymous said...
Oh, that's right, everyone is a minister.
Do you even read the posts or do the little voices in your head tell you that what the person wrote is not what they wrote. Who said Schroeder should as you say "interfere" etc.? No one but the voice in your head. Who said we were talking about professors etc.? No one but the voice in your head. Did I suggest that he should get someone other than Kelm? No one but the voice in your head. I said Kelm's theology is the SAME as Schroeder, so of course he would want Kelm, as I said! (Unless in the language the voices in your head use the word SAME means DIFFERENT. Or is your dog talking to you again?)
You are telling me that Schroeder is not aware of whom is being called? Of course he is, or, if he isn't, then he is incompetent.
So for the people out there who don't have voices in their heads, get over it. Kelm, Schroeder, no diff and so no diss on Kelm.
Beano
October 3, 2008 9:33 AM
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GJ - I think we found the man who edits the Church and Change webpage...and the WELS.net webpages. Another possibility is mass ignorance among the Church Shrinkers.
http://www.churchandchange.org/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=4872&sec_id=2691
Comparitive (sic) Theology
Is there a relationship between illiteracy and doctrinal stupidity? I think so. A diminished capacity or willingness to learn makes someone easy to lead.
