Robert Zimmerman has left a new comment on your post "Does the Eighth Commandment Protect Those Who Ape ...":
The video has now been removed from YOUTUBE.
I would like you to note that the young men removed it because they saw your blog. The administration didn't ask them to (Please don't post a new blog about how Schone and Zarling turned a blind eye). They did it by themselves with contrition and Godly repentance. They did not consider the consequences, but now they realize the error of their ways.
Thank you for pointing out what was sinful about the video. You certainly didn't do it in a loving way. In fact you were kind of a jerk about it, but thank you.
Now that this is over, I probably will never read your blog again, because lisping cats aren't funny.
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GJ - This person seems to think there are seven innocents and one horrible person involved. That is a typical WELS reaction. "Doing it in a loving way" means ignoring it or saying, "Boys will be boys. Tee hee."
Their video title lives on, with this new expression of solidarity.
I was told that I addressed Reformed doctrine and clergy adultery in the wrong way, too.
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The purpose of this information is to provide guidelines to parents who are hosting a teenage party. These guidelines will assist you to provide an environment where your children can "Party" in a safe, enjoyable and responsible way. If you decide to have a teenage party be sure your know what you may be in for, establish some rules and then stick to them.
Hosting a Party
- All parties should be hosted by parents at a safe secure venue
- The number of guests should be appropriate to the venue and the level of security you are providing
- Admission should be by formal invitation or on presentation of ID, which is checked at entry. No invite no entry
- Invitations must NOT be able to be photocopied
- Invite other parents and adults who will know some of the guests to assist you
- Provide security at the entrance and exit points to deal with potential gatecrashers
- Host parents must be honest in response to parent enquiries.
- Depending on the number of guests and party activities, the Police and neighbours should be notified in advance
- There must be a designated party area and a safe area to leave bags - stealing can be a problem (both from house and bags)
- Be aware that providing alcohol to minors is illegal
- If BYO alcohol is not permitted, say so on the invitation
- Expect that some people will bring alcohol - discuss how this and cigarettes will be handled before the event
- No glass containers at all should be permitted.
- Organise to have music/entertainment and a space where guests can dance
- Have the hostess ask some friends to stay over and help clean up
- Provide a special breakfast for the friends who stay over to help clean
When your child is attending a party
- Make sure your child has an invitation
- Ensure you know where the party is and the start and finish time
- Check that parents/adults will be present
- Make suitable transport arrangements for your child to get to and from the party.
- Communicate with other parents or the host about the party to find out the details or make arrangements.
- Make sure that your child can contact you while they are at the party.
- Rely on your intuition.if it doesn't feel right then it probably isn't.
Supervision of guests during the party
- Adult supervision during the party (without intruding) is important, and should reduce the risk of the party getting out of control
- Establish some basic ground rules for the party with the hostess (daughter) and her immediate circle of friends well before the day of the party
- Have a plan to deal with guests who arrive at the start of the party already intoxicated - will you let them in / turn them away / call their parents???
- Check bags at the door to prevent problems later
- Make sure there is plenty of water, softdrink and food available and that it is passed around regularly
- An older sibling / relative / neighbour / friend should supervise the music and prevent any CD's being removed from the area.
- Be prepared to say no to unacceptable behaviour and put a stop to it as soon as it occurs
If problems arise DURING THE PARTY
- Don't panic!
- If a child appears seriously ill or is unconscious, immediately call an ambulance and then, if possible, contact the parents.
- If a fight breaks out during the party, try to immediately calm the situation. If calm cannot be restored, call the police
- If you are unable to deal with uninvited guests, call the police.
Getting the guests home
- Supervision of guests departing the venue is important.
- If possible, know in advance how each guest is getting home.
- If guests are walking home ensure they do not go alone. It is best they do so in groups and agree to look after each other.
- If a guest is not picked up and parent contact is unsuccessful be prepared to let them sleep over. Their parents may have been involved in an accident or for some other unforeseen circumstance be unable to make contact or be contacted.
- If the pick up person is obviously intoxicated do not let the guest get into their vehicle. If the pick up person is not a parent, then attempt to contact the guests parents to make alternate arrangements. Otherwise, take the appropriate action which could include taking them home yourself, allowing a mutual family friend to take them home, arranging a taxi or allowing them to sleep over.
- If guests leave the party before it ends they should not be allowed back unless the departure is pre-arranged or agreed with the hosts. They may be leaving to consume alcohol or other prohibited substances. If not pre-arranged or agreed, then notify parents ASAP that their child has left the party without permission. If guests return and are in a distressed state take the appropriate action to deal with the circumstance including contacting the Police if necessary.
- Guests may have to be sent home during the party due to bad behaviour, alcohol or substance abuse or for health reasons. Contact parents immediately and arrange a pick up. If unable to make contact take whatever action is applicable to the circumstance.
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Nathan Loersch has left a new comment on your post "MLC Video Pulled from YouTube":
Not sure if this is the right place to post this comment, but why would you post the "MLC Party Policy"? It is the policy for the Methodist Ladies' College, which is in AUSTRALIA! Do you want people to think it is from Martin Luther College? It makes no sense.
MLC Cross Country
Nathan Loersch was named UMAC Player of the Week. For the press release, click here. ... E-mail the Sports Information Director (SID) at: sid@mlc-wels.edu ...www2.mlc-wels.edu/Athletics/Cross%20Country/.../Default.htm
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GJ - I linked it and also identified it at the bottom. The rules showed up when I Googled MLC. The same thing happens when people look for the original Miley Cyrus video and the Fire Island Pines parody - MLC's version shows up. I guess the analogy was lost on Nathan.
Plus - I thought the rules were funny. Some of you need a laugh.
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Another Homosexual website posts the Martin Luther College Homosexual Romp Video online along with this site posted earlier (QUEERTY - Free Of An Agenda. Except That Gay One.
http://www.queerty.com/what-miley-cyrus-hath-wrought-party-in-the-mlc-20091019/).
It's included in it's LUTHERAN sub page along with ELCA's recent activity.
http://www.towleroad.com/lutheran/
The homosexual community seems to see this as a positive gay affirming video.
QUESTION:
Will WELS, out of love and concern for every person given the wrong impression by the WELS MLC Homosexual video, publicly address this issue to clarify their doctrinal confession on homosexuality with the internet community, 80,000+ YouTube views and a multitude of Homosexual Gay/Lesbian websites etc.?
Seriously, will they?
MLC students, will you?
I wonder if the Shrinker's "Reaching out in a digital world" seminar will add this episode as an appendix?
Lessons:
1) world wide servers mean even your mom can watch you prance
2) when the homosexual lobby thinks they are winning converts in WELS, the Evil Foe chuckles with mirth.
3) Our long standing practice of 'mark and avoid' was there for a reason. "Repeat and laugh" just doesn't mean the same thing.
Few readers seem to recognize that MLC has become the ultimate party school for cocky, arrogant leaders of tomorrow. Students party, drink, and make trashy films to their heart's content with disregard for the less privileged.
It reminds me of the rich man who after keeping all the commandments wanted to know what he must do to be saved.
I thought the film makers were super-smart A-students. Being so smart they must have realized that their gay travesty would go viral and give MLC a black eye. THEY SIMPLY DID NOT CARE.
It is time to stop pampering these spoilt brats. To say that this blog did not treat them in a loving enough way is itself a sin. Sucking up to them only makes them worse. Use the rod in public on them.
Anon@8:31
Again, as I've said before, do you know these young men? You are so willing to jump to the worst possible conclusion about them simply because of where they go to school.
Realizing they've done something wrong, what is right about your response above? You can't shrug off your sinful response with "but they sinned first."
They made a mistake. Feel free to point out that mistake again and again till you're blue in the face if it makes you feel better.
But you have no idea of their motives or their character.
Not sure if this is the right place to post this comment, but why would you post the "MLC Party Policy"? It is the policy for the Methodist Ladies' College, which is in AUSTRALIA! Do you want people to think it is from Martin Luther College? It makes no sense.
Michael,
Felons know they did something wrong, too. Simply saying, "I'm sorry does not get them off," nor should it. Where does it say we need to get to know their hearts before taking action?
The egregious nature of students' error warrants punishment as a deterrent. "Spare the rod and spoil the child." These students are still immature and childish -- so is your sinful defense of them.
Anon@9:22
Are you so confident of your views that you don't even sign your name?
Where is my sin?
I admonished my brothers. I told them that it would be best to take the video down. I've said the same, publicly--on this forum and elsewhere.
Again, where is my sin?
I take my role as Christian brother seriously. You, on your part, sit on high and determine punishments, motives, character, et al. without taking the time to post who YOU are.
Do the sins of these students absolve you of yours? Does one get to carelessly tear down other Christians even after the law has been applied? Then again, you know nothing of the counsel or consequences of these young men.
While I am left clueless as to what my sin is, yours is on public display (albeit you have been so sure of yourself as to make sure no one knows who you are).
Seeing as how this piece of artistic expression went viral, perhaps the Schwein-Flu foundation can sponsor a new major at MLC: Filmography (or is that flame-ography?)
GJ-
What's the point of the link to the 14 year old boy's video? As far as I can see, it has not connection to the MLC video. There isn't even a link to their video on this page. What's the point?
Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends. I'm so glad you could attend. Come inside. Come inside.
Lets take a step back for a moment! Pastor GJ did not send the video to You Tube. Please remember that GJ new NOTHING about the video until a close friend(a seasoned WELS gentleman connected to MLC) PERSONALY informed him. My son's teacher attended that school. Pastor GJ has stated that he likes MLC. Michael Shottey stands and supports MLC. Michael is one of the few ichabodians who can speak without a bag over his head. GJ did not have anything to so with the video being loaded on the gay website. I think the Lord for sending us Pastor GJ. Had he not been informed by his "WELS friend" this video would still be available on You Tube. The next stop would have been MLC in the headline news.
from WELS church lady
Mr. Zimmerman,
Thank you for informing us of the reasons behind the video being removed from YouTube. I am glad to see that these young men did so of their own volition, with a contrite and repentant heart.
I trust that these young men, being as bright as they are, certainly have learned more than merely not to post videos on YouTube. I pray that all who have been so quick to speak the Law to these future called workers will be as quick to speak the Gospel.
Jesus Sinners Doth Receive
words by Erdmann Neumeister
Jesus sinners doth receive;
Oh, may all this saying ponder
Who in sin's delusions live
And from God and Heaven wander!
Here is hope for all who grieve—
Jesus sinners doth receive.
We deserve but grief and shame,
Yet His words, rich grace revealing,
Pardon, peace and life proclaim.
Here their ills have perfect healing
Who with humble hearts believe—
Jesus sinners doth receive.
Sheep that from the fold did stray
No true shepherd e'er forsaketh;
Weary souls that lost their way
Christ, the Shepherd, gently taketh
In His arms that they may live—
Jesus sinners doth receive.
Come, ye sinners, one and all,
Come, accept His invitation;
Come, obey His gracious call,
Come and take His free salvation!
Firmly in these words believe:
Jesus sinners doth receive.
I, a sinner, come to Thee
With a penitent confession;
Savior, mercy show to me
Grant for all my sins remission.
Let these words my soul relieve:
Jesus sinners doth receive.
Oh, how blest it is to know:
Were as scarlet my transgression,
It shall be as white as snow
By Thy blood and bitter Passion;
For these words I now believe:
Jesus sinners doth receive.
Now my conscience is at peace,
From the Law I stand acquitted;
Christ hath purchased my release
And my every sin remitted.
Naught remains my soul to grieve—
Jesus sinners doth receive.
Jesus sinners doth receive.
Also I have been forgiven;
And when I this earth must leave,
I shall find an open Heaven.
Dying, still to Him I cleave—
Jesus sinners doth receive.
>>>That is a typical WELS reaction. "Doing it in a loving way" means ignoring it or saying, "Boys will be boys. Tee hee."<<<
Yes, this observation is spot on. The biggest compliment you can give to a pastor in the WELS is to say: "He's such an evangelical guy." I used to think that this meant that he approached everything with a Gospel-motivated attitude. After several years in the ministry, though, I've come to realize that this is a code for "He doesn't stir anything up because he soft-peddles or ignores the law."
Listen carefully to Michael, he is telling you a lot about himself, MLC, and their bag of tricks.
Anon@9:22
You are so inaccurately portraying the application of Law and Gospel it is troubling.
Proverbs does NOT say. "Beat your child with the rod even when he is sorry."
Tell me, O Anonymous One, which sins are more important, more egregious than the rest? Where is this chart located? Is it in the new Lutheran Study Bible?
You said, "Simply saying, "I'm sorry does not get them off," nor should it."
The most egregious matter is your quotation mark placement. But I would like to ask, is the sin of these men more egregious than the sin of the adulteress? To whom Jesus simply said, "Go and sin no more."
Which pound of flesh did Jesus ask for?
Dear Mr. Jackson,
This is addressed to you, personally. It is certainly your choice whether you would like to post it for more to see after you have read it.
Please allow me to make a few points.
1) I don't think you understood Mr. Zimmerman. You say, "This person seems to think there are seven innocents and one horrible person involved." But he said they removed the video "with contrition and Godly repentance." A person cannot repent from something if he or she was innocent in the first place. So, he is saying they did something wrong.
2) True, Mr. Zimmerman never clarifies what he means by "do it in a loving way." However I doubt he means, as you said, to ignore or laugh at it. Please allow me to offer a truly Christian, loving way to deal with this. Jesus said to show a brother his fault, first, just between the two of you (Matt.18:15). Surely any one of us (those commenting, you, or perhaps especially the person to send you the link in the first place) could have questioned the boys personally - first. Granted, probably only one or two of "us" knows any one of the students personally, but with their names at the beginning of the video a truly concerned person could have found a way to contact them easily enough.
Surely we see no need to do that now; they have been shown their error many times. When I found out, I did contact one of the boys. He was sorry it had gotten out of hand, and had already resolved to remove it. By the time I had contacted him several other of his friends had already done the same.
3) (Were we - those commenting - just too busy debating whether or not this was a sin to see our own error? I think by now we agree it was at least a very bad idea...)
4) Sir, I realize this blog enables you to post your opinions. You have even allowed people with very different opinions to comment on it. Hopefully this latest discussion has benefited someone out there - maybe even taught these boys and others to think very hard about what they say or do before doing it, especially in a highly public place like the internet. I don't think this was the best way to go about it, but hopefully this had a purpose.
5) I do think Matt. 18:15 applies to much of what you post on your blog. Surely everyone has faults, including pastors. Making it your life's goal to contact each person individually to show them their fault would admittedly take a lot of time. You've chosen to show them their faults publicly. I do not agree with that choice. (For this reason I included the disclaimer at the beginning.)
6) I pray that all those offended will forgive those at fault, and we all move on. If they've truly repented, as I would like to think, Jesus already has.
Sincerely.
And you call these guys immature? Good come back anonymous, and way to change the subject.
"Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times." --Matthew 18:21-22
Am I a fully forgiven child of God? Yes. Are you a fully forgiven child of God? Yes. Are the guys who made and posted Party in the MLC fully forgiven children of God? Yes. Does God remember any of our sins? No.
"We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother." --1st John 4:19-21
I did some back tracking, and discoverd that the video was released on October 7TH.(give or take) Pastor GJ did not get this until last week. It only steered towards this blog after some faculty or the likes found out its assimilation.
from WELS church lady
"Lisping cats aren't funny," says Bob the Grouch. "I'm never going to (admit to) read(ing) your blog again. Humbug!"
Bob, you're right. Lisping cats aren't funny. How rude for a cat to lisp and wear a wig like a flaming cross-dressing homosexual.
That kind of offensive humor should be reserved just for young men (with copious numbers of girlfriends, their defenders hasten to interject) at nominally religious colleges.
But you know,
Instead of encouraging the MLC students in their decision to do the right thing, "Pastor" Jackson continues to dig.
If I were he (I agreed with him about the video) I would say to the MLC student: Thank you for listening to your fellow Christians.
And then restate the law, and finsih with gospel..
Sadly It aint happ'nin'.
Anon@11:32
Bag of Tricks?
I enjoy posts, by anonymous people, which are so generic that accusations can be made without any actual factual evidence.
Here are my "tricks." Apply law when it is needed and apply gospel when it is needed. The "mouses" who wish to grind these MLCers into the millstone are beyond the pale.
The issue is over, yet that is not enough...rather than say to truly contrite young men "Go and sin no more" You are wishing some sort of penance?
>>truly contrite young men<<
Besides God, only Satan can read hearts. Which are you Michael?
Michael, maybe I'm missing what you are getting at, but there are still consequences of sin and fruits of repentance. (I'm speaking more theoretically than to this specific video. It looks to me like the removal of the video is a fruit of their repentance.)
Prof. Deutschlander reminds us in the Theology of the Cross that Adam and Eve were forgiven but not let back into the Garden. David was forgiven but his child still died and violence never left his house. David was forgiven for his obsession with numbers (take heed church growthers) but there was still a plague, etc.
As a pastor you will have adulterers who will say "I'm sorry," or couples living together in sin who will say, "We're sorry." That will not be enough. Godly sorrow and contrition bears fruit in keeping with repentance.
I apologize if I missed the intent of your comments, but they leave the door open for an impression of a God who does not take sin seriously and therefore an impression of cheap and meaningless grace.
Anon@7:02
Neither, However, I have spoken to these young men and believe when a fellow Christian confesses their sins and acts according to a contrite heart (taking the movie off of YouTube) they should be taken at face value.
Anon@7:35
Thank you for your attempt to understand my intent because surely, the way you took it was not as it was meant.
You are right that there is earthly discipline or natural consequences for sin. Punishment is reserved only for when our time of grace is up.
There is only one punishment for sin, it is death. However, God, in his grace uses discipline to correct his children.
When dealing with another Christian, it is not our job to continually hammer a repentant Christian with more and more discipline. The law is not properly applied when it is done so to repentant Christians.
My issue is not that these young men should not face any discipline, rather my issue is that some on this blog are demanding a harsh punishment--up to expulsion being mentioned--for a situation without knowing the individuals or how their discipline is being carried out.
Godly contrition does produce fruits in keeping with repentance. These men did not say, "We're sorry but the video went viral so we're keeping it online."
In your adultery scenario, if the couple immediately admits their wrong and stops living together immediately, what more would you have them do?
I'm not sure what other fruits should be produced but if you let me know I can pass them on.
Again, I am not advocating this video and I am not advocating that these young men shouldn't have had to take it down.
What I am advocating is that men and women from hundreds of miles away not take it upon themselves to label young men they don't know as "spoiled brats" and call for punishment when they have no connection to the situation.
But then again, what do I know? I'm just a GA-corrupted, spoiled brat with his bag-of-tricks.
Whoever the Anon is that is so virulent against me in this matter, feel free to post back with a useless snotty comment with no logical or doctrinal support. You're doing well so far! Why change what works?!
BTW...notice that an MLC graduate--albeit one who isn't matriculating to WLS--just wrote a post with correct spelling AND HTML tags.
I wouldn't normally take pride in this (I do it every day) but some of you feel it is impossible for us brain-damaged GA'ers to accomplish.
I did not think MLCers went through GA. Is this a new vice?
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