Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS GA Personality":
What do you think about the eight commandment? There is a whole lot of slander on this blog directed towards WELS, MLC, Called Workers and their families.
---
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Say It Ain't So, Joe - Krohn Rock Group Dumped at ...":
The hatred and slander on this site makes me sick. There is no excuse for this, especially coming from Christian men and women.
---
Blake has left a new comment on your post "Mary Lou College's Own Flock of Seagulls--or--Girl...":
At first I thought this video was fairly immature yet mostly harmless. However, Mr. Jackson, now that I've compared it to your clearly blameless and omnibenevolent soul, it truly disgusts me. Thank you for opening my eyes.
P.S. How about this for comment anonymity?
---
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Mary Lou College's Own Flock of Seagulls--or--Girl...":
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I know I'm not wrong since I am a student at MLC, but I do believe MLC stands for Martin Luther College, not Mary Lou College. Some "pious" man you are pointing out the "sins" of others when you yourself are breaking the 8th commandment by bearing false testimony against your neighbor by not taking their actions in the kindest possible way. You are also slandering a man's name by not correctly given him credit as the name holder of a respectable college in the United States. Instead you use your close-mindedness to slander a man's name, and also the reputation of the gentleman in the movie. Who are you to publicly hold false testimony against the gentleman in this movie? I also know that everyone in this video has or have a steady relationship with a member of the OPPOSITE sex. If this video is really the biggest problem we have facing us, then we are surely blessed. But the fact of the matter is that it is not. I do believe you are missing the plank in your own eye but not seeing how your comments and your promotion to negative comments are directly affecting how these young men are seen by people who do not know them personally. Just because you have a problem with the WELS does not give you the divine authority to judge a man's heart or a man's intentions. Perhaps we might construct our time in a better fashion than to read a blog that diminishes the reputations of young men and encourages judgement on others? Just a thought I suppose.
***
GJ - I give various institutions a nickname. I have trouble associating the Reformer's name with a blatantly Church Shrinker school, even more so when an atrocious video is uploaded to a world-wide server and students are shocked to find people watching it. Did everyone just fall off the beet wagon before signing up for college?
Why has the college done nothing about it?
Why is the video still playing as of this posting?
The Miley Cyrus video is painfully bad, but innocuous. Has Disney given MLC permission to use her music? There are legal issues which WELS pastors constantly ignore when they offer up their sermons as original when those efforts are nothing more than copies from the false teachers they adore and follow. Names? Parlow. Kelm. Doebler. Ski.
---
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "More Cluelessness and WELS Grammar:Girls Just Wann...":
Well, your so-called entertainment has done serious damage to the reputation of these students and MLC in general. I hope it was worth it.
I'm not arguing that it should or should not have damaged these reputations. I am only saying that it did. Think before you act; consider all the possible consequences.<==Good advice for MLS students.
***
GJ - Now that is a typical WELS apostate response. Any attempt at correction is met by accusations of a horrible sin being committed - by the innocent. By the way, someone with long-standing WELS credentials pointed out the video to me. He was too disgusted to watch more than one minute of "Party in the MLC.'
I posted the code for the video MLC is still showing. Yes, I know, it is not an official MLC video. To find it on YouTube, search "Party in the MLC." That would strike the average person as an official, approved video from the college.
One defense of the video is--believe it or not--the gay group loved the MLC version, and of course Miley loved the FIP version. But FIP stands for Fire Island Pines - the gay resort where the original Miley satire was filmed. Is that something to brag about?
Don't worry about the hi-larious MLC video being taken down. It can be hosted somewhere else, like the original one here, thanks to New York Magazine.
---
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Mary Lou College's Own Flock of Seagulls--or--Girl...":
I am a current MLC student, and in stereotypical WELS style, I feel the need to place my two mites(<--Bible reference) in the offering plate, if you will. I realize that you will most likely not be swayed by my opinion, but hey, that didn't stop any of you.
Let's do a little review here, the thought is that the students featured in the video are giving the wrong impression of the WELS school of ministry. They created a parody video of a popular youtube video. Alright, we all still on the same page? good.
None of these men are homosexual. I know for a fact that at least more than half of them are currently or have been romantically involved with women. Also, if there was ever a question about their sexual orientation, it would have been handled by now not only by faculty of MLC, but also by the students because we know just as well as anyone that homosexuality is sinful and we know that we are told in the Bible to show our brother his sin.
Like I said before, the video is a parody, like Saturday Night Live. Some of the actors on SNL will impersonate homosexuals by dressing a certain way or giving themselves a lisp. Do people question the sexual orientation of the comedians on that show or others like it? No. This is the same situation. They are a group of blatantly heterosexual men who acted out of character for the sake of humor. Senator(at that time) Barack Obama went on the Late Show with David Letterman and presented the top 10 things he would change if he became president. In typical late night humor style, they were jokes, not real campaign promises he was making. So, just as we look at Barack Obama making jokes about his campaign on late night TV, let's look at the CONTEXT of this video before we make judgments on it. Realize that all of this(both Obama and MLC students) is relative humor, it's only funny because you know what the actors are like on a every-day basis and when they act out of character, it is funny.
In addition, you have to know the culture of MLC, or the average college in general. I will go out on a limb and assume that most of the people commenting on this blog are not of college age. That being said, most of you do not know what is considered funny or "cool" at MLC currently, so let's look at the culture of MLC.
Like I said before, Homosexuality is in no way condoned at MLC by students or faculty. But homosexuality is joked about because it is not even close to a possibility. In the same way we brush off comments like "We're gonna kill them" said by athletes, MLC students think of someone calling them "gay" or a "fag" as something so impossible that it does not bother them. Just like we know that LeBron James is not going to go out on the court and murder someone, we know as friends and brothers and sisters in Christ that if we are at MLC, homosexuality is most likely not a problem for us. And we know that we are not giving offense to anyone because they are not homosexual.
An Intelligent Comment--Oh, Oh--From Mankato
C.C.Baxter has left a new comment on your post "Does the Eighth Commandment Protect Those Who Ape ...":
context doesn't matter to the 13 year old who clicks and views "Party in the MLC". If that's their only viewpoint of what MLC is and stands for, which it probably would be, then that's bad. Fun video, but only for inner circles. We in the loop know they're not gay. It's the public that views it (and who certainly won't bother with context) that doesn't know.
As said before, there is one thing I whole-heartedly agree with: it being on youtube is a major step backward after Schroeder took on ELCA's homosexuality endorsement.
***
GJ - No one ever said the kids were a bunch of sodomites. The issue is - why would they take the time to imitate a famously gay video? Does that prove they are cool anti-Pietists?
More comments are arriving, taking issue with me. I am on trial now - typical WELS turnabout.
Another question to ask - is there any supervision at Mary Lou College? This video competition seems to have no rules, since the children involved posted their work to YouTube and left it there - 60,000 views, 80,000 views, and counting. If they had criticized the Shrinker movement in WELS, the video would have been de-rezzed in five minutes.
28 comments:
context doesn't matter to the 13 year old who clicks and views "Party in the MLC". If that's their only viewpoint of what MLC is and stands for, which it probably would be, then that's bad. Fun video, but only for inner circles. We in the loop know they're not gay. It's the public that views it (and who certainly won't bother with context) that doesn't know.
As said before, there is one thing I whole-heartedly agree with: it being on youtube is a major step backward after Schroeder took on ELCA's homosexuality endorsement.
So much for the twisted double and triple standards of MLC defenders. They refuse to accept rebuke and correction.
I have one piece of advice for those who are failing miserably at their attempts to defend this video:
Stop digging.
In the environment that is a WELS college, there exists an affinity for a strain of humor which tends towards the vulgar, even the borderland of the prurient. "Cheeky stuff, dear boy, that's all. Don't get upset over it!" Such sentiment sums up the cavalier dismissal used to silence critics who are pigeon-holed as so hopelessly out of touch they'd never understand the esoteric nature of the humor anyway. Consequently, the offensive substance matter is baptized as harmless under the rubric of spoof, parody, sarcasm, etc. However, to make light of sin--any sin-- is never a joking matter. In fact, that is exactly the propaganda used to sell homosexuality to the masses as harmless and innocent. For example, make the gay character come across as outrageously non-threatening like the flaming homosexual on Will & Grace. Not that the guys in the dorm who made their flick are queer. We get that, okay. Their gender-orientation isn't at issue. Sheesh. What is at issue is the substance of their parody. It has overtones of a sexual nature. When one thinks of all the busted WELS pastor and teacher marriages and the infidelities which caused them, sexual predators and pedophiles who once (some defrocked, some in prison) preached and taught in WELS congregations and classrooms, and yes, even the now out-of-closet gays who once attended WELS institutions of higher learning, then one would not be so blithe as to say that such things are "not even close to a possibility." Pay very close attention to the admonition of Ephesians 5:4, "Nor should there be any obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place..." College affiliation exempts no one from heeding that apostolic warning.
"None of these men are homosexual. I know for a fact that at least more than half of them are currently or have been romantically involved with women."
"Do people question the sexual orientation of the comedians on that show or others like it?"
"They are a group of blatantly heterosexual men"
"Like I said before, Homosexuality is in no way condoned at MLC by students or faculty"
"But homosexuality is joked about because it is not even close to a possibility"
"MLC students think of someone calling them "gay" or a "fag" as something so impossible that it does not bother them"
"we know as friends and brothers and sisters in Christ that if we are at MLC, homosexuality is most likely not a problem for us"
"And we know that we are not giving offense to anyone because they are not homosexual."
"We in the loop know they're not gay"
"If you have ever seen a Will Ferrell movie where he takes his shirt off, you should go pray the Rosary and ask the Lord and Mary to forgive your sins of homosexuality"
"I assure you that these guys are not gay"
"Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go snuggle with my girlfriend"
- Me thinks thou protests too much.
To the author of this blog
I read some of defense of party in the MLC. Since 'parody' is the video's main defense I thought I'd parody them, replacing the concept 'homosexual' with 'pedophilia'.
"...Like I said before, pedophilia is in no way condoned at MLC by students or faculty. But pedophilia is joked about because it is not even close to a possibility. In the same way we brush off comments like "We're gonna kill them" said by athletes, MLC students think of someone calling them "pederast" or a "bugger" as something so impossible that it does not bother them. Just like we know that LeBron James is not going to go out on the court and murder someone, we know as friends and brothers and sisters in Christ that if we are at MLC, stealing is most likely not a problem for us. And we know that we are not giving offense to anyone because they are not pedophiles."
Now this is interesting. I've exchanged on disgusting sin for another. Does this clear up the issue for you? To the writer of the comment: Do you still feel comfortable writing what you did? Hope not.
Don't you think that joking about sin is the first step in desensitization?
I've been guilty of making light of sin too, now and in the past. But I hope that if a fellow Christian addresses me with my shortcoming I wouldn't defend it. I encourage the MLC students to look into scripture to find what it says about making light of sin
I'm not even defending the video anymore, but how is this post any defense whatsoever for the slander and pompous mockery in which this blog is drenched? You just re-branded your attacks and changed the subject.
Even if every paragraph wasn't filled with dramatic generalizations meant to cause divisions in the Church, your rebuttals are filled with pedantic corrections and immature name-calling. The picture of the crying baby and the phrase "WELS grammar" don't make your argument any stronger, they just make you look like a bully that can't pick his battles.
You're more than welcome to your opinions. I don't have to agree with them. But if you have determined someone to be wrong, perhaps loving rebuke and rational discussion is better than misplaced, hurtful "satire".
I'm not a pastor. I don't have 5 college degrees. But I can call a spade a spade and see that you're clearly just stirring the pot here. Just take a step back and determine if your methods (METHODS, not opinions) are helping to advance the work of Christ in any way, shape or form.
I pray that you will learn to debate your views in a more loving manner, because many of the ways you deal with your dissenters are cold, shameful and not Christ-like whatsoever. I am deeply saddened that I feel the need to say this to a minister of God's Word.
There is a lot of psychological resistance to seeing MLC and the students for what they are. Most of the defenders cannot process such an idea.
I would bet you dollars to donuts that there are a couple of (straight) Catholic bishops sitting in a rectory somewhere telling themselves “if only we were able to nip this whole pederasty thing in the bud twenty years ago when we saw the first subtle signs of it rearing its ugly head. The church has had millions of communicants abandon her and we are broke from lawsuits. We should have spoken up!”
This scandal probably will hurt those (probably straight) young men in the video. So they might have difficulty getting teacher and pastoral calls from “the better” parishes. Perhaps they will have to spend a couple years serving the Lord in Nome, Alaska or at a mission station in Upper Volta. Memories will fade and this scandal will be lost in the mists of time. I doubt very much that they will be found panhandling on the streets of Milwaukee twenty years from now.
It’s a good thing that Pastor Jackson brought this to the attention of the WELS community. It will send a message to people that an underground homosexual network will not be tolerated in WELS. Maybe we won’t have to suffer the heartbreak and humiliation that our Romanist neighbors have suffered.
"Hey, they're just kids..."
Let's put ages in perspective. At the age of 21 Martin Luther (you remember, the namesake of that college) was blinded by a crash of furious electrons that set him on a correct path for his life.
Could we be so bold as to hope such an awakening for these babes in the woods?
GJ says- "No one ever said the kids were a bunch of sodomites."
And then the comments come that this is a "underground homosexual network" and someone comments "Me thinks thou doth protest too much."
Pardon me? That is blatantly calling these kids a bunch of sodomites or rather, a bunch of future would-be sodomites.
Please. Unless you actually know these young men or are offering to privately talk to them about their apparently closeted sexuality don't make the accusation.
Rev Jackson, you made your stand against the video, which I agree shouldn't be on YouTube. You need to make a stand against your readers calling them gays, closet gays and/or future gays.
This quickly went to a serious and needed discussion to a bunch of name calling.
You will notice in my comment that I wrote that the men were probably straight. My point is that toleration of such video productions encourages the formation of underground homosexual networks.
Michael you state, "Please. Unless you actually know these young men or are offering to privately talk to them about their apparently closeted sexuality don't make the accusation."
My point is when you make the statement, "offering to privately talk to them about their apparently closeted sexuality" you are claiming that they have a closeted sexuality.
You can make any point you want but you can't have it both ways - declaring that 'no one should make an accusation' and then make the accusation above.
Kenneth,
You probably aren't a mass murderer...but I'm going to leave the door open for the possibility.
-----
Anon@ 2:35
Study the use of English irony. I never once make the statement that they have a "closeted sexuality."
Rather, I'm saying that if you aren't going to take the next step in making that accusation...don't make that accusation.
-signing his name
The time has come to remake "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and film it at MLC. There are plenty of A-students to fill the rolls.
Solicit the advice of C&C leaders. They know best.
A wonderful world of immaturity at MLC. These A-students make trashy videos while other young men their age are fighting and dying for their country. As sure as I am commenting, others are insisting that these A-students are all about the work of the Lord. That is the folderol of WELS and MLC in particular.
What we have here is NOT blind faith in God, but blind faith in an institution and its leaders. The defenders really believe God will smite anyone questioning the institution and the ways thereof.
>>More comments are arriving, taking issue with me. I am on trial now - typical WELS turnabout.<<
That is the WELS way. Instead of facing the issues, they turn on the messenger or speaker. That is why do not like to get into discussions with them.
Ichabod isn't the only internet site that's noticed the Martin Luther College Homosexual Video. (Looks like it was just taken off of YouTube)
QUEERTY - Free Of An Agenda. Except That Gay One.
http://www.queerty.com/what-miley-cyrus-hath-wrought-party-in-the-mlc-20091019/
One comment on this site states, "No. 11 · hephaestion
I don't see the straight college kids as making fun of the gay video. I thought their video was very cute, and I think they just used the Fire Island video as an excuse to liberate themselves to act silly just as the Fire Island guys were being silly in their video. If the college boys had meant for their video to be anti-gay they would have made it anti-gay with really hideous flaming and an ugly tone to the video. What I see is a fun tone… more like "We like being silly, too." Not "We hate you and want to dehumanize you." I really don't think these are anti-gay kids at ALL. Maybe someone should ask them.
Posted: Oct 20, 2009 at 11:25 am"
Also this one, "No. 15 · Alex Taylor
Instead of worring about this video expressing "anti-gay" sentiments(which I personally don't think it does), lets have some fun with this and get a friendly debate going…which guy is your favorite? cutest? ugliest? are they straight but still adorable? anyone want to give a critique?
Posted: Oct 23, 2009 at 5:34 pm "
And this, "No. 16 · Night
Making fun of gays? No way, they HAVE to be making fun of straight people. NO self respecting gay man would take his shirt off looking like these clowns!
Posted: Oct 26, 2009 at 12:55 am "
The video has now been removed from YOUTUBE.
I would like you to note that the young men removed it because they saw your blog. The administration didn't ask them to (Please don't post a new blog about how Schone and Zarling turned a blind eye). They did it by themselves with contrition and Godly repentance. They did not consider the consequences, but now they realize the error of their ways.
Thank you for pointing out what was sinful about the video. You certainly didn't do it in a loving way. In fact you were kind of a jerk about it, but thank you.
Now that this is over, I probably will never read your blog again, because lisping cats aren't funny.
I condemn the MLC video and think the students involved need to be appropriately punished and admonished. However, let us not turn this into some kind of gay witch hunt. Let us admonish with a Christian spirit. I said before that reputation, once lost, is very difficult to recover. I think these boys did terrible damaage to their reputations and the school's. Let us not do further damage by making sly accusations.
What exactly is an "underground homosexual network"? How does one form? Have you any evidence of these things? (and don't say the Catholic Church--that was hardly a secret). No disprespect to Kenneth, but this whole notion seems just downright bizarre to me (and a bit paranoid). You almost make it sound as though there is a secret homosexul lurking within all college men, and they need only see a tasteless video and it will flame forth (so to speak).
Both sides, let's stop the hyperbole and deal with the real issue. These students used very poor judgement in making this tasteless video. It sends the wrong message about MLC, and it is unbecoming for students in the WELS college of ministry. They have, thus, opened an unwelcome debate about their own characters and the overall character of the school. Therefore, the college needs to impose discipline.
"Kids" only 18 years old are serving their country and sometimes making the ultimate sacrifice in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I always find that WELSians want it both ways: To be respected and held in awe with their theological knowledge, but still to be able to "act out" in any way they want, bullying, mocking satire, etc, without experiencing any counter criticism.
Waaaa !!!!! Poor lil' babies !!!!
Coming from the New York Metro area I can confirm that a homosexual network exists. I am not saying they have membership cards or secret decoder rings, but its real. Like the freemasons, they help their fellow sodomites with getting jobs and social opportunities. If a homosexual or Lesbian has the power to give someone a job, it will almost always go to another of their ilk. You think the US Episcopal Church and the ELCA went pro-homosexual on leftist rhetoric alone? I learned about this stuff from reading a good book on the issue Called "The Homosexual Network" by Enrique Rueda, a Romanist priest. I also spent some time off and on working against gay rights in the NY area in the 90's, a thankless task I assure you.
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, and I know I'm not wrong since I am a student at MLC, but<<
This is so typical of MLC students and graduates.
As I read this blog I was in awe of how well Satan has a hold of everyone posting. Instead of taking a loving Christian approach to the posting of this video (which is exactly what our Lord and Savior commands of us) I see bickering, acusing, defending, ect.. I can see Satan sitting back and enjoying his handywork that he has caused each and every one of you to respond with. GJ...God has put you in a place to respond with his Grace and Love. Please pray that you use your possiton wisely. Too much time and blogging has been use in a sinful way to attack. Where does God tell us to attack? Watch and pray least ye fall into temptation. I am just as sinful as the worst. But He has made me as great as The best. The fellows that made that video should be admonished as God would have it. Privately!!! He tells us that. I dont think that everyone here realizes that continuing to talk about the sins of another and put in there "2 cents" is breaking the Commandments of out Faith. I think we all need to Pray for these individuals privately and with a honest and loving heart that they will see the errors of their ways and correct the mistakes they have made with their Lord. No one had the right to insinuate, mock, blame, these individuals...I beleive the culmination of this is called "JUDGING" which not a one of us has the right to do. Sins are between the sinner and their Lord. If the staff at MLC need to respond the the individuals so be it. It is not my, yours, or anyones business other than to make the person aware if we notice and "LEAVE IT ALONE". Any other influence, opinion, or "blogging" is just another attempt by Satan to lead us all astray!!!! Please, instead of hurling comments and insinuations, pray for these individuals and trust that our Lord will handel it according to HIS WILL and not our opinions. GP...your prayers also will do more good than any "BLOG"
"This is so typical of MLC students and graduates."
Awww...that was cute. You took something clearly not arrogant and pulled it out of context to try and show arrogance.
He was making about point about the meaning of the acronym "MLC" which, him being at MLC, makes him pretty sure of the right answer.
Good try though.
This is soooooo typical of an anonymous poster--have you not the fortitude to take on a college student? You have to hide anonymously?
Post a Comment