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A blessed Reformation to you.
Question:
Should I be bothered by this? Is this a form of unionism?
http://www.stmatthewsonline.org/News%20and%20Notes.htm
Salvation Army Bell Ringers
From Pastor Enderle:
We have been asked as a church if we could supply enough people to man the Salvation Army Bell Ringers Stand in front of Wal-Mart on Friday, November 27th from 5:00pm to 9:00PM and Sunday, November 28th from 11:00AM to 9:00PM. 80% of all money raised stay in this community for:
Families First
St. Claire Health Mission
Local Police Department
My questions to you:
1. Is there anyone who would be offended by this?
2. Would we be able to come up with enough people to staff the two bells at Wal-Mart for two days?
Your thoughts and comments are very much appreciated.
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GJ - The Salvation Army is a church. Someone just asked about them. I hope the congregation publishes photos of the WELS Bells. I cannot get the image of Guys and Dolls out of my mind.
NICELY
I got the horse right here
The name is Paul Revere
And here's a guy that says that the weather's clear
Can do, can do, this guy says the horse can do
If he says the horse can do, can do, can do.
(Benny starts singing his part at this time, while Nicely continues:)
Can do - can do - this guy says the horse can do
If he says the horse can do - can do, can do.
(Rusty starts singing his part as the time, while Nicely and Benny continue:)
For Paul Revere I'll bite
I hear his foot's all right
Of course it all depends if it rained last night
Likes mud, likes mud, this X means the horse likes mud
If that means the horse likes mud, likes mud
Likes mud.
I tell you Paul Revere
Now this is no bum steer
It's from a handicapper that's real sincere
Can do, can do, this guy says the horse can do.
If he says the horse can do - can do - can do.
Paul Revere. I got the horse right here.
BENNY
I'm pickin' Valentine, 'cause on the morning line
A guy has got him figured at five to nine
Has chance, has chance, this guy says the horse has chance
if he says the horse has chance, has chance, has chance
I know it's Valentine, the morning work looks fine
Besides the jockey's brother's a friend of mine
Needs race, needs race, this guy says the horse needs race
If he says the horse needs race, needs race, needs race.
I go for Valentine, 'Cause on the morning line,
The guy has got him figured at five to nine
Has chance, has chance, this guy says the horse has chance
Valentine! I got the horse right here.
RUSTY CHARLIE
But look at Epitaph. he wins it by a half
According to this here in the Telegraph
"Big Threat" - "Big Threat"
This guy calls the horse "Big Threat"
If he calls the horse "Big Threat",
Big Threat, Big Threat.
And just a minute, boys.
I've got the feed box noise
It says the great-grandfather was Equipoise
Shows class, shows class.
This guy says the horse shows class
If he says the horse shows class
Shows class, show's class.
So make it Epitaph, he wins it by a half
According to this here in the Telegraph.
Epitaph! I got the horse right here!
4 comments:
No big surprise the About Us section of St. Matthews is a litany (a prolonged or tedious account) of Church Growth mantras and statements.
http://www.stmatthewsonline.org/About%20Us.htm
Worship/Growth Trends
2004 About 20
2005 About 40
2006 About 50 Jan - April
2006 About 100 April - Dec
2007 150 per Sunday
Goals and Purposes of our Congregation
- Financially Stable - The church that is fiscally responsible will be able to weather any situation.
- Clearly Understood Vision - Every church needs to understand its purpose. If a church does not, no matter what its size, it will simply exist to support itself as an institution. It is the pastor's primary responsibility to set the vision of the congregation.
Growth of our Church
- At present, our facility is hindering growth.
- I believe this growth will continue.
The Job of the Pastor
- To set the vision and tone of the congregation
- To guide the congregation in achieving this vision
Enormous number of fundraisers here: http://www.stmatthewsonline.org/Activities.Events.htm
"We encourage people to come as they are, authentic and real"
"We welcome children to our worship services to hear God's word. We do offer, however, a children’s Sunday School which meets during the Worship service."
"You will find yourself accepted, loved and welcomed here. We see you as we see ourselves - children of God falling short of His standards, but also Children of God, bought and redeemed through the perfect life, innocent death, and glorious resurrection of Christ Jesus our Savior." (Everyone is a child of God - I think this is Objective Justification)
Growing up we walked by the bell ringers, Mom simply said that they were raising money for thier church and we don't beleive the same things they do so we don't put in any money. We can give to organizations through our church. I repeat the same speech for my own children, never thought about what to say if the bell ringer was from our church- might have to prepare for that.
Maybe some pastors slept through the class about other church bodies or maybe they take lessons from Thrivent who has matched red kettle donations the last few years. He should have taken a lesson from my mom. No offense against the pastor but who is leading the sheep?
My pastor has stated, on several occasions, that the Salvation Army does fine charitiable work; however, they are outside of fellowship. My pastor is real firm on these things. He even said "WELS ain't perfect"!
from WELS church lady
http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?1518&cuItem_itemID=20395&cuTopic_topicID=20
The Salvation Army is Holiness denomination. It is not merely a charitable organization but a heterodox denomination.
The Arminian theology of Methodism can be seen in the Salvation Army's teaching that election or predestination depends on the foreseen conduct of the individual. Lutherans teach that there was nothing in us to cause God to choose any of us; our election is caused by God's grace and God's grace alone. Lutherans place the primary emphasis in theology on what God has done for us by justifying us, declaring us not guilty for the sake of Jesus who was condemned in our place.
The Salvation Army places its main theological emphasis on sanctification, the holy life that we are to live. Like Methodism and the other Holiness Churches, the Salvation Army teaches perfectionism or entire sanctification. Lutherans teach that the Christian will remain both sinner and saint until he dies. The Christian will struggle against sin until at death he is freed forever from sin and sin's consequences.
Lutherans teach that the Holy Spirit creates and sustains faith only through the means of grace, the gospel in Word and Sacraments. The Salvation Army historically has taught that the Holy Spirit works directly on the human heart apart from the means of grace.
Among Christian denominations the Salvation Army seems to be unique in not practicing either Baptism or the Lord's Supper. Lutherans place a strong emphasis on these two sacraments as means through which the Holy Spirit works to create or strengthen faith and brings us the forgiveness of sins, life, and salvation.
Since the Salvation Army is a heterodox church body, we cannot readily separate their charitable work from their false teachings. For that reason we cannot support such a group (2 John 10-11). Although we might admire the zeal of the Salvation Army to help the downtrodden, we cannot participate in that work with them. We might rather want to support those charities operated by the Wisconsin Synod, ELS, and congregations in our fellowship, or charities that are not connected to any religious organization.
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