Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Writing Makes a Precise Mind








You wrote Liberalism: Its Cause and Cure?


Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Brief Autobiography":

Fascinating! I didn't realize when I first stumbled onto your site here that you're the same Jackson who wrote the book on LIBERALISM, which I devoured about 15 or so years ago after a Lutheran friend gave it to me as a gift (I even visited some WLS churches as a result!).

Kudos to you for not kowtowing to the PC that has infected way too many denominations. Keep fighting the Good Fight.

Appreciatively,

Discerner

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GJ - It's good to hear from readers. Another reader of Liberalism left the LCA, etc. When I was still in the LCA, I was given boxes of books left behind by a Missouri pastor who left the ministry. One two-volume set was edited by John W. Montgomery. One of the authors was an LCA pastor I knew, so I paid special attention to it. That certainly started me on the way toward leaving the LCA.

Given the Church Growth obsession of the Mischke administration, it is astounding that any criticism of the fad escaped the editorial gaze.
But alas, the CG network has flourished in WELS ever since. They now own the offering-supported college and seminary. There is no anti-CG lobbying group, but WELS CG has:
  1. The Love Shack Staff
  2. FIC, the Quarterly, and the ELS periodicals

  3. New Ulm and Mequon
  4. Wisconsin Lutheran College, managed by CrossWalk in Phoenix
  5. Pope John the Malefactor
  6. Church and Chicanery
  7. Pots of Pietism
  8. CEO
  9. Time of Gath
  10. Prayer Warriors Institute
  11. and introducing Men of the Word.
This apostasy has grown because dozens of pastors said and did nothing for decades. Worse, many of them agreed with the criticism of CG and even supplied material and ideas for articles, adding, "You should really write about..." One WELS pastor told Selma S. that he was staying quiet so he could get a teaching job. He stayed quiet and got the job he wanted. Roger Zehms, Floyd Luther Stolzenburg, and Paul Kuske got Pilgrim Community Church going in Columbus, 20 years ago. Thanks to the silence of so many, that trend has continued and a similar but later effort (CrossWalk, Phoenix) is now running Wisconsin Lutheran College, with the college president and two board members from CW.

I was told that the Arizona-California-Las Vegas District of WELS was on CrossWalk like a hobo on a hotdog. Obviously not. The Disciples denomination was still having meetings about Jim Jones when the massacre took place in Jonestown. As Luther said, murdering souls is far more dangerous.

I have a letter from an ELS pastor, 1996, thanking me for fighting against CG in the ELS and WELS. Paul McCain's example is instructive. I have several letters from him, thanking me for fighting CG. "I hope it does not infect the ELS," he wrote on November 4, 1991, from his first and only parish. Nine years of Barry-McCain did nothing but bless the CGism and unionism of Missouri. The ELS is thoroughly infected, even under the watchful eye of its Doctrinal Board. Every synod has a doctrinal board, staffed with clerical capons, to ensure the safe and peaceful growth of apostasy.

Writing makes a precise mind because an orderly argument must be formed out of many complicated issues. Patterson's janisarries were howling yesterday, so I must have done well. Nevertheless, I am an abject failure on this topic. I have written against WELS-ELS-LCMS CG since 1988 or so. In 21 years, every slimy appendage of CG doctrine has extended itself into church institutions. Where are the DPs? Cheering for Church Growth.

Reformed doctrine is bad enough, separating the Holy Spirit from the Word, denying the efficacy of the Word, mocking the Sacraments. But Fuller's agenda is far worse than than, and conservative Lutherans have embraced it through extensive training at Pasadena, Willow Creek, and Trinity Deerfield.
The conservative Lutherans all celebrated the 300th anniversary of Paul Gerhardt, a pastor who actually resisted Reformed doctrine. I wanted to attend those LCMS-WELS-ELS seminary chapel services, to see if anyone was laughing out loud.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Writing Makes a Precise Mind": CG. . . I respectfully take issue with you on this post. I do not believe that the ELS gas a Church Growth mentality. It has some other mentalities, I admit, but I don't see Church Growth as part of the program.
I see the ELS as not being oriented to the serious study of theology and of being susceptible, to some degree, towards unthinking right-wing politics. Also, I wish that you would discontinue the use of the mocking title which you give to the President of the ELS, John Moldstad. Other than that, I don't have anything to say because I don't know the people that you write about.

The Lincoln Town Car is so cool. I wish you many months of driving pleasure. Norman Teigen ELS layman (Disclaimer: Although I should probably be so labeled, I am not a spokesperson for the ELS. No one in the ELS listens to me anyway, so it is probably just as well.)

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GJ - Norman Teigen is a good example of how CG advances. It cannot be true so it is not true. And yet, the Little Sect on the Prairie has its own Emerging Church, with their ELS pastor, Nathan Krause, as a featured speaker at Church and Change.

The Teigen family experience is instructive. When B. Teigen wrote correctly that the Synodical Conference erred in teaching the Receptionist heresy, the ELS leadership pounded him. The WELS/ELS people still claim, "We do not know the exact moment." I wonder what they would have said at the Last Supper when Christ spoke - This is My Body. As disciples, they would have said, "But we don't know the moment." Or they might have said, tentatively, "It depends on what the meaning of is is."

Moldstad earned his title, Pope John the Malefactor. As someone in the ELS observed, the synod has not yet recovered from his explusion of pastors and the exodus of congregations. Moldstad mocked the divine call and all the congregations when he threatened River Heights with, "Fire the pastor or I will expell you from the ELS." I would kneel before him and kiss his papal ring if he would only acknowledge the efficacy of the Word alone and act accordingly with his CG pastors. As a novelist observed, it is my job to "laugh mankind out of their favorite follies and vices." And - "It is much easier to make good men wise, than to make bad men good." (Fielding)

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Writing Makes a Precise Mind": Rev. Jackson, I, too am an ELS layman and I find what you say about the ELS to be right on. Mr. Teigen obviously has his head in the sand. I see the ELS as being hell bent into Church and Change, what with the example of Rev. Nathan Krause and Abiding Shepherd Lutheran Church.

The last convention of the ELS pretended not to know what pastor and congregation were being discussed when an issue regarding the use of the historic liturgies in mission congregations was brought to the floor. There are relatively many confessional/liturgical pastors/congregations in the ELS. Most of them are NOT in the state of MN, sad to say. It's probable that NONE of them are in the state of MN. It's so very sad to see the synod that took a stand in 1917, separating from the Norwegian Synod, now going the way of the apostates that they supposedly left behind. It's certainly difficult for a layman to know where to turn. It is my fervent prayer that the pastors and congregations of the ELS cease any leaning to C&C and return to the historic liturgies, and that they stress the Means of Grace. ELS congregations must also cease promoting the farce that is Time of Grace. ELS congregations must first and foremost take care of the feeding of the sheep and lambs of their flocks and hold their shepherds to that task.

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GJ - It is a sin to "name names" in synod discussions. That way the real issues can be dodged. However, the Shrinkers name names all the time. When John Lawrenz was outraged by Harold Sauer's moderate and edifying essay, he complained about Sauer "naming names" while running the retired pastor into the ground. Oh yes, Sauer was not there "to defend himself," another complaint from Shrinkers, but only if they are the alleged victims. People have told me about meetings they attended where I was named and obviously not there to defend myself. The key tactic is to turn CG criticism into the most horrible sin ever committed and the author/speaker into the most egregious sinner since Judas Iscariot.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

CG. . . I respectfully take issue with you on this post. I do not believe that the ELS gas a Church Growth mentality. It has some other mentalities, I admit, but I don't see Church Growth as part of the program.

I see the ELS as not being oriented to the serious study of theology and of being susceptible, to some degree, towards unthinking right-wing politics.

Also, I wish that you would discontinue the use of the mocking title which you give to the President of the ELS, John Moldstad.

Other than that, I don't have anything to say because I don't know the people that you write about.

The Lincoln Town Car is so cool. I wish you many months of driving pleasure.

Norman Teigen
ELS layman
(Disclaimer: Although I should probably be so labeled, I am not a spokesperson for the ELS. No one in the ELS listens to me anyway, so it is probably just as well.)

Anonymous said...

Rev. Jackson,

I, too am an ELS layman and I find what you say about the ELS to be right on. Mr. Teigen obviously has his head in the sand.

I see the ELS as being hell bent into Church and Change, what with the example of Rev. Nathan Krause and Abiding Shepherd Lutheran Church.

The last convention of the ELS pretended not to know what pastor and congregation were being discussed when an issue regarding the use of the historic liturgies in mission congregations was brought to the floor.

There are relatively many confessional/liturgical pastors/congregations in the ELS. Most of them are NOT in the state of MN, sad to say. It's probable that NONE of them are in the state of MN.

It's so very sad to see the synod that took a stand in 1917, separating from the Norwegian Synod, now going the way of the apostates that they supposedly left behind.

It's certainly difficult for a layman to know where to turn.

It is my fervent prayer that the pastors and congregations of the ELS cease any leaning to C&C and return to the historic liturgies, and that they stress the Means of Grace.

ELS congregations must also cease promoting the farce that is Time of Grace.

ELS congregations must first and foremost take care of the feeding of the sheep and lambs of their flocks and hold their shepherds to that task.

Anonymous said...

"It's probable that NONE of them are in the state of MN."

I made the above statement without thinking and apologize to those MN confessional/liturgical ELS pastors, especially in the northern part of the state.

Anonymous said...

Word on the street is that the ELS' Golden Valley franchise is finding the Hymnary too confining, but cut-and-pastes from CW seem just right. Carnack The Magnificent is also predicting another financial fire drill for the franchise.

Anonymous said...

Interesting note: Nathan Krause is WELS not ELS. He is serving a congregation in the ELS, but is WELS trained.

When he took the call, his mother reported, in my hearing, that he said, "I will take the, but we will do things MY way." Kind of like a bull dog thing. My way or the highway! Message to any that would stand in the way of all the silliness: Get out now, before your bounced out and don't ask any questions. I'm in charge! Trust me.

I just report what I hear and it comes in from all kinds of sources all the time.

Anonymous said...

Rev. Nathan Krause is on the clergy roster of the ELS, and NOT on the clergy roster of the WELS.

He is a member of the ELS, and has been since 1988, having served ELS congregations in Fertile/Crookston, MN, and Gresham, OR, prior to going to Cottage Grove, WI where he presently serves.

My sources are the Synod Reports.

Anonymous said...

So when is the exact moment? Is it when the consecrator says "is" or "my" or "body" or "blood," etc.? Sometime earlier, later? My understanding is that that is where the "receptionist" verbage came into play: We can't define the exact moment but we know that what we are receiving is the true body and blood, in, with, and under the bread and wine.

Anonymous said...

"It's probable that NONE of them are in the state of MN."

Thank you for correcting this error; the oft-maligned "Circuit 8" of the ELS is all in MN, and it is probably the synod's most confessional circuit (though it was damaged after the Moldstad expulsions). ELS does have a major advantage over other synods: its hymnary is one of the finest confessional Lutheran hymnals in the English language. It is certainly better than LW and CW, and I believe it is less pietistic (and Methodistic) than TLH. If the mission congregations are not using it, it's a shame. A good hymnal and liturgical service can make up for a lot of pastoral faults.

-DJJ

Anonymous said...

WELS CG looks like it runs the risk of gaining whatever their members want and losing their souls in the process. Just how much do they value their salvation from Jesus Christ?

They may as well say they are doing what God cannot do by Himself.

Anonymous said...

"So when is the exact moment ?"

Many years ago, my own concerns on this matter of the Consecrationists versus the Receptionists debate, were wholly put to rest by my own personal studies; as contained in the Formula of Concord ( Triglotta's Book of Concord).

Ever after I have never regarded as myself as either a Consecrationist, or a Receptionist, but what I smiling think of myself as being, and that is 'A WHOLE ACTIONIST', or 'AN ENTIRE ACTIONIST' (or in other words .

I would thus heartily and joyfully recommend a close study of the Formula of Concord, Thorough Declaration VII Of The Holy Supper, from page 999 until page 1003, which covers #73 - #89)...but most particularly #83 till # 87....according to the rule that nothing has the nature of a sacrament apart from the use instituted by Christ, ie. the action divinely instituted by Christ. That is If the institution of Christ be not observed as He appointed it, there is no sacrament.....meant is theentire external, visible actionof the Lord's Supper instituted by Christ, [to this indeed is required] the consecration, or words of institution, the distribution, and reception, or oral partaking [manducation] of the consecrated bread and wine, [likewise the partaking] of the body and blood of Christ.

And apart from this use ............it is to be regarded as no sacrament.

I therefore view the argument as not Consecrationists versus Receptionists, but as Consecrationists & Receptionists versus unseparated 'ENTIRE ACTIONISTS', or, if you prefer, 'WHOLE ACTIONISTS'.

Respectfully submitted on behalf of our true forefathers; the writers of the F o C.
Yours sincerely in Christ,
an Anonymous WHOLE ACTIONIST.

P.S., Let us not forget that many so-called "conservative synods" did not have their Seminaries bothering to study the F o C. Personally, I believe that is because so much of it so clearly refutes UOJ in those Articles parts that treat Repentance, Justification, & Election.

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Anonymous said...

Interesting series of posts. I hope that I can someday get my head out of the sand. The writer might have suggested that, as a former drill sergeant once did, that I remove my head from a body cavity.

Don't be misled by rumors that KOG finds the hymnal too confining. My only current objectionat KOG is that the Sunday bulletin has too much WELS stuff crammed into it and that (this is too horrible to write) some hymns from Christian Worship make it.

CG reality is not such as I avoid to speak it nor, in your case, is reality what you choose to make it.

Why make Nathan Krause an issue? I am an old ELS guy and I know (it's a small synod) who is ELS and who isn't (the new guys in spirit never go to the ELS Historical Society meetings). Krause is a WELS guy in this sense, but then so are some others.

I think that there are kooks to the left of us and kooks to the right of us. We need to keep our eyes on the mark.

I can't imagine how nice it must be to have a Lincoln Town Car without midwestern wear-and-tear. MNDOT does a very good job in keeping our roads clear of ice and snow but at a terrible cost to auto bodies.

Norman Teigen
ELS layman
(I am now running for the position of official spokesman for the ELS on all issues. Send your vote to ELS headquarters in Mankato.)

Anonymous said...

Mr. Teigen,

What is KOG, or is it what is a KOG?

Rev. Krause has chosen, all on his own to make himself and the congregation that he serves stand out like sore thumbs in a very, very small synod. No one is picking him out of a crowd.

Anonymous said...

KOG is King of Grace Lutheran Church in Golden Valley MN. I am a member here.

Someone earlier in this sequence was making some comments about the congregation (ELS Golden Valley franchise) getting ready to throw out the ELH (or some such misinformation). I was merely trying to set the record straight. I should have specified the congregation's name to avoid confusion.

I see residual WELSian receptionism in this sequence of posts. That is very bad theology. Suggestion: read my Dad's book on the subject of The Lord's Supper in the Theology of Martin Chemnitz. It's a free download from LOGIA.

One pastor told me that my Dad's book put an end of receptionism in the Missouri Synod. Can it end receptionism in WELS? Only if people read and study the book but it is probably still on the banned books list at the WELS Seminary.

Norman Teigen
ELS layman
King of Grace Lutheran Church member
(NormBob is not an authorized spokesman for the ELS but he is a frequent enough commentator that he should be authorized. Send your ballots to ELS HQ in Mankato and ask that Norman (NormBob) Teigen be made an official ELS spokesperson.)

Anonymous said...

Mr. Teigen,

Does the ELS teach The Lord's Supper according to your father's book, or does it teach as the WELS does?

Anonymous said...

Good question. I am not sure of the answer. I was a member of the Missouri Synod at the time that this occurred. I am fairly certain that the WELS threatened suspension of relations with the ELS should the ELS not kowtow to the WELSian demands of doctrinal (on their terms) conformity. I will go to the Reformation Lectures in Mankato later this month and ask around. I am reasonably certain that President Moldstad, for one, would give me an honest answer.

I remember that one member of the ELS leadership group once told me that that there would be no questioning of WELS doctrine because of fellowship requirements. The idea was that we were in fellowship because we were in doctrinal agreement. Because there was doctrinal agreement there was fellowship.

It wouldn't matter if WELS taught receptionism or the Immaculate Conception of Mary, we, the ELS, would never question WELS on anything.

Of course this conformism is unwise because what assurance could there be that WELS was always and in every way doctrinally orthodox?

Norman Teigen
ELS layman
(I now consider myself to be an official spokesman for the ELS)