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Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Embarrassing Walther
bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Just Say No To the Abusive Cult Called WELS":
The Synodical Conference Lutherans have been a rough crowd since the start. It might have something to do with its heavily Prussian origins. When you read the history about the 19th C UOJ and election controversies, the Eastern Lutherans and the Iowa Synod Lutherans complained that the Midwest Lutherans were downright ornery and un-Christian in argumentation and how they treated dissenters and opponents. That's how one group of pastors who didn't believe in UOJ could call themselves the anti-Missouri Brotherhood, and no one thought the "anti-" part was the least bit uncalled for.
Narrow-minded Lutheran has left a new comment on your post "Just Say No To the Abusive Cult Called WELS":
I used to think that LCMS folks were defensive when criticizing their papacy, but I learned last weekend that one really has a tiger by the tail when having the audacity to suggest that WELS may not be the only holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
When this person started in about how liberal the LCMS is versus the "conservative" WELS, I questioned why WELS sends their clergy to Fuller. Of course, the 8th Commandment is the first thing to come up, as I was told that I needed to check my sources and had no idea what I was talking about. "Our guys only go to WELS sems," I was told in that tone of rebuke. Funny how the internet is okay for being critical of everyone but WELS.
The next subject I brought up was Thrivent, and, of course, the reply was, "Our parish has nothing to do with them." After encouraging this person to do some research, I hope this person does so and sees that the LCMS that they broke fellowship with due to its ecumenism supports their beloved Jeske.
As usual, it went to the CW issue, which this WELS person saw no big problem with (adiaphora is the "catch-all," you know). I ended the conversation with problems arising when church focuses on us and not on Christ. Amazingly, I got the last word.
This goes for Missouri and WELS: When Walther is elevated above Luther and regarded as inerrant, your problems are soon to follow, the first being the descent into pietism.
rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Just Say No To the Abusive Cult Called WELS":
When someone is told to write a letter, and then they are ignored, is just plain rude. These bad boys need to learn some manners.
rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Just Say No To the Abusive Cult Called WELS":
"That is because WELS pastors cannot admit ever being wrong."
In my many conversations with WELS laity over the years, this may bother them more than anything else. There is much better treatment of peers in the secular workplace. Although there was no mention of Matthew chapter 18 in these exchanges, the 8 and 18 switch is losing its sting. In fact, the end is rather tattered and worn from overuse.
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