|The "new" post by McCain on St. Elizabeth is all over the Net, too:|
hard to tell the original source.
Copied from -
There was Ruth Shalit, the young New Republic writer who was Washington journalism’s It Girl in the mid-’90s, until she imploded with a couple of high-profile plagiarism episodes and a powerful but error-riddled assault on the Washington Post’s approach to race.
|WELS District President Doug Engelbrecht,|
Northern - Anything Goes - District.
Click here for an attorney's response to this clarion call.
|Methodist EC Craig Groeschel (far left) comparing jeans with closeted Babtist Andy Stanley.|
Andy does not admit to being Babtist at Northpoint,
just like Rick Warren at Saddleback.
|Not a Photoshop - Andy Stanley posed with Ski,|
and Ski worshiped with Stanley.
Apparently, so did Glende, Parlow, Buske and others.
DP Doug did not excommunicate them, but supported them instead.
|Not a Photoshop - Craig Groeschel.|
|Craig Groeschel - making the Word attractive...or something.|
From Craig Groeschel on using Andy Stanley material:
How To Use Someone Else’s Material
Recently I used Andy Stanley’s series, “How to Be Rich.” (If you haven’t listened to his messages, I highly recommend that you do.)
Here’s what we did:
We asked for permission. (For the record, if you use something from LifeChurch.tv Open, you don’t have to ask for permission. Since I didn’t know North Point’s stance, asking permission seemed like the right thing to do.)
We gave Andy credit publicly and sent people to his church’s website.
We sent Andy a note with a small gift to say “thank you.” (This obviously isn’t necessary, but I wanted to express my gratitude for his hard work, excellent material, and generosity.)
Parts of the series included almost exclusively his material. Other parts were very much my own. To me, he deserved full credit and honor for God’s work through him.
Several people thanked me for exposing them to North Point’s ministry. I’m thrilled to turn them on to a great spiritual resource.
When have you observed this done well?
GJ - DP Doug did not listen to an attorney from his own district, but he aped an EC Methodist from the Net!
Some have said, “If a pastor copies from one source, it’s plagiarizing. If he copies from multiple sources, he’s researching.”
This week I’d like us to talk about using other people’s material with integrity.
On LifeChurch.tv Open, we don’t require attribution for resources that people download and use. We don’t need credit nor desire it. We simply want to make anything we create freely available for other pastors and churches to use in ministry.
Sadly, we know of a couple of pastors who have been fired, in part, for “plagiarizing” our work and others whose integrity has been questioned.
Here are my thoughts:
It isn’t plagiarizing if you’re given permission.
Just because it isn’t plagiarizing doesn’t always mean you shouldn’t give credit to others.
Years ago I used material—with permission—from a friend. He had asked me not to credit him, so I didn’t.
A few people took a strong stance against me for plagiarizing. Although he didn’t desire to be mentioned, we all would have been better off if I had given credit for the material I used.
Giving credit does several valuable things:
It honors the pastor or church who came up with the idea.
It demonstrates humility and security.
It exposes a church to other great leaders and teachers.
It removes any doubt of copying.
This week, we’ll discuss when and how to give credit.
What are your initial thoughts?
Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "WELS, ELS, LCMS Beware - Rewarding Plagiarism Reve...":
Ichabod - I have no doubt that WELS will be forever discussing the issue of plagiarism; attempting to clarify it while splitting hairs and making degrees of it acceptable within its own inbred Synod. One of the things that utterly has turned me off to my own local WELS congregation, besides that of the pastor's Universalism teaching and preaching, is that he appears to be a synodical puppet.
Attending Bethel Lutheran is such, that it a local church which is compromised. Its own identity is torn because its pastor and congregational officers are so wedded and dependent upon local circuit, regional district and national synodical allegiances. On one particular occasion I noticed that the pastor plagiarized a sermon that was posted on the WELS site. It was during the time period of the synodical Bible Study on the Romans 12 gifts.
The sermon was about "encouragement" and highlighted Samuel's mother, Hannah. Finally, it is my observation that the WELS schools don't teach and train its students to be independent thinkers and to be solely beholden to the Scriptures and to the Lutheran Confessions. Students, are instead pumped through the multi-webbed system only to be a rubber stamped version of the same stale synodical status quo. Nathan M. Bickel - Bay city, MI www.thechristianmessage.org www.moralmatters.org