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Tuesday, December 29, 2015

Behold How the UOJists Love One Another

Am I the only former student at Ft. Wayne to read this book?
Cited by Dr. Robert Preus in Justification and Rome.



Pr. Don Kirchner (Kirchner)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 8:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


"I actually think this conversation is getting somewhat ridiculous."

I agree. And the never-ending familial shots at the ELS get boring.

I did course work at Luther in St. Paul toward their equivalent of an STM. Took some fine courses from Nestingen. But the drive from Thief River Falls to St Paul was too much for me. Had I been able to do online work as offered by ILT I might have continued.

Congratulations on your STM, Pr. Webber.
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David Jay Webber (Djw)
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Thanks. James Nestingen was one of my professors through ILT, too.
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Pastor Rolf David Preus (Rolf)
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Revs. Kirchner and Webber know that seeking an STM from a seminary does not identity one with the theological posture of that seminary. Since this is the case we may safely ignore any particularities of a specific case, such as the one under discussion, because we have already determined that seeking the STM degree from an institution does not join one with the confession of that institution. This appears quite reasonable, but it is precisely the specifics of this case that require a different conclusion. The “Institutional Learning Outcomes” of ILT are written to give the impression that they are advocates of traditional Lutheran confessional theology. The chairman of the board of the institution is a well-known and respected (though theologically incompetent) leader of the “missional” wing of the LCMS, that is, those for whom confessional Lutheran orthodoxy is an impediment to the mission of the church.

Perhaps Rev. Kirchner feels put upon for his advanced studies at Luther at the feet of Førdeites and other assorted errorists. How else to explain his gratuitous attack on my family? Well, speaking of family, in my father’s generation of Preus pastors there were precisely two – Dad and Uncle Jack – who were able to sift through the heterodoxy prevalent at Luther back in the forties and come out as confessional Lutherans. No Don, I’m not knocking you for attending graduate classes at Luther. But you should concede the danger of studying at the feet of the heterodox. And Jay, you should know better than to give credibility to this new faux-Lutheran seminary by seeking from them an STM.
Pastor Rolf David Preus

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GJ - I have a lot of respect for Jack and Robert Preus in their fight against the easy-going mainline direction of Lutherans. They did a lot of worthwhile publishing and engaged in public fights against the errors of their denominations.