"Jeske ain't my hero!" I have a message for Civil submission Preacher Jeske: Mark Jeske, go and make yourself a slave of the government. Honor the king? No, it is obey God and honor the king. Then again who needs the Church when you can be saved by Bruce Eberle's direct mailing. "A Washington insider controlling the WELS via Church and Change!" Does anyone besides me no what is REALLY going on? Stay tuned.In Christ,from WELS church lady
It is great to hear from Kevin Hastings. Is he still at old St. John's on Vliet St?
Jeske is the Emergent New Age front man for the (W)ELS/LCMS common law merger. If he wasn't, he wouldn't still be there. Same with the Jeske's illegitimate offspring, Ski and Glende.What does Jeske teach about Heaven?"Q: What will we do there - sit on clouds and sing eternal praises?""Pastor Jeske: To me that's one of the most pathetic images of heavenly life, so injurious to our faith that it must haven been designed by Satan's P.R. team. Heaven will not be boring!"When I asked Time Of Grace why Jeske would make such blasphemous statements they said his comments were taken out of context. Then proceeded to make the same remarks.Good morning Brett,Thank you for your email and for taking the time to contact us. I wish I could tell you that Pastor Jeske has time to respond to all questions and contact we receive at Time of Grace, but unfortunately that is not possible. The Time of Grace team, however, appreciates all contact and will respond to the best of our ability.The quote you mention below, if taken as is, and out of context, would certainly appear to be somewhat disturbing. What could possibly be wrong with singing eternal praises to our God in heaven? However, in context, the point of Pastor Jeske's response is that Satan has done a very good job of detracting from our anticipated heavenly joy by painting heaven as boringand anti-climactic. Honestly, who wants to sit on a cloud and sing all day?And we've all heard the jokes about the good ole rascals down in hell having a great time living it up with their sinful ways. Sounds like a subtle scheme of Satan's to make us question the goal of our heavenly home and make us think that this world is the best it's gonna get, instead of embracing the fact that the best is yet to come. No wonder we get so attached to this world and can't bear to consider our mortality. Through Pastor Jeske's messages I have a newfound anticipation of the currently unimaginable joys that await me in heaven. God has been silent with all the details, but as Pastor Jeske explained in the rest of his answer to that question - it won't be boring! Thanks again for your interest, I hope this response has been helpful.Blessings,AmyAmy BrinkmanTime of Grace MinistryPO Box 301Milwaukee, WI 53201414-562-8463 phone414-562-8464 faxtimeofgrace.org
Pastor Kevin Hastings is still at old St. John's on 8th and Vliet. He is also my Facebook friend. He just posted photos of that magnificent cathedral and its interior.WELS kicked him out for tagging a sidewalk, even though he paid damages the next day. Next WELS kicked the congregation out. I understand they are trying to kick the congregation of the cemetery association, too.WELS workers take note - you can murder your spouse and lie about it, commit adultery for 10-15 years while editing the new hymnal, teach false doctrine, worship with false teachers and sects, and molest minors. BUT TAGGING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED FOR A MOMENT!Tell me there is no discipline in WELS.
Now I have to add St. John's to my list of churches to visit. St. Stephen's is also on the list.
What did he "tag" on the sidewalk?Was it profane, or was it "political"?I am curious as to what they would define as "cause" in the WELS.
It was not profane or political. It was a dispute with another WELS congregation over its lack of discipline. I think the tagging amounted to a line on the public sidewalk. He paid damages the next day.Has anyone noticed how WELS has to get even, over and over? How is that for universal absolution?
That is why so many on this blog site do NOT use their real names...criticism, whether constructive or not, is not well tolerated, at least if you are not a called worker.This whole issue with the 8th commandment real does have a double standard in the WELS. I have heard a pastor openly criticize ex-congregants, but then insist that any criticism against him be done under conditions so stringent as to make any meaningful discussion impossible.Grump on...
Grumpy, I have to give a big AMEN to your last paragraph. That's what happened to me concerning parents of my former school. We could talk about Mr. Jungen behind his back, but heaven help him should he talk the same way. A double standard indeed! No longer being a WELS called worker has given me the freedom to use my name. So far, so good.Scott E. Jungen
"Touch not mine anointed!" but let him touch you all he wants.
If you look at the history of the Synodical Conference, one can discern that the Pietist-Calvinist doctrinal overlay of the BoC that Walther pushed was not what most Lutherans in America believed, much less in Germany where no one believes in UOJ anymore. Walther's view on slavery was Calvinist, too, since one ought not mess with the status quo since that would contradict God's will concerning what station people hold in this life and the next. Since UOJ was an overlay against the will of the people, Waltherian logic and the authority of the pastor had to push aside the beliefs of the unlearned masses, who were immigrants to American and thus vulnerable to this type of manipulation. Hence, to this day no one is allowed to criticize the pastor except in very limited contexts. The rule book on this came out of Alice and Wonderland. If the pastor were really one with the people in doctrine, this all wouldn't be necessary. Of course, pastors will say that people swore they believed what the WELS taught, but here this is another manipulation since no one went over with them the pros and cons of what Walther taught, or even said it was controversial. It's similar to how evolution is taught in public school as fact without letting on that real scientists doubt it or disbelieve it. But no matter. I'm sure that eventually, with the help of the internet, the Calvinists will be exposed and tossed out on their cans.
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