bored has left a new comment on your post "Intrepid Calls WELS Convention - Punk, Pass, and K...":
Daniel, Firstly nothing I wrote on Intrepid was ankle biting and I hope Fr. Rydecki or Lindee didn't interpret it that way. I also respect their refusal to publish anon comments.
I'm not going to put my name to group of people who confess to believe a false justification. I can hope the best about them--namely, that I hope the intrepids don't actually believe or teach UOJ; however, they have defended it and I hope they have been merely deceived into improper use of words, not into deceived into false belief.
I'll assume the best about each of them: That they truly believe JBFA. But I wouldn't "stand with them" or recommend them to anybody unless they recognize that UOJ is totally contrary to JBFA.
Either that or I want hear them affirm what the WELS states: That all people are righteous in God's sight due to a universal justification, apart from the means of grace. I'd be disappointed if they affirmed this, but at least we'd know where each of us stands.
I respect the Intrepids' efforts quite a lot, but if they ask for my signature I'm going to be pretty plain about what I think.
If anyone could direct Mr. Lindee and Fr. Rydecki to this comment I'd appreciate it. I think they stand to be a very strong positive Christian force in the WELS, but if they would succeed, the Intrepids need to repudiate UOJ and build their reform of the WELS on the solid Biblical doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone.
God only effects change in a man through the Means of Grace.
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Well said Bored.
In Christ,
Brett Meyer
Thank you Brett,
Have you read Romans 10:17 in the NNIV? "17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ."
"About Christ" in exchange for the previous translation "of Christ"? I don't know Greek, maybe "about" is a proper translation. But the change in meaning sure seems to support what I think about the NNIV translators. They don't believe in a word-by-word verbal inspiration, but a conceptual inspiration. God gave us a Scripture that, ya know, changes with the spirit of the ages. Because "the word of Christ" is sooooo unintelligible in today's English.
If the Greek word in question can be translated either as "about" or "of", fine. Or maybe it's unclear how the word should be translated. But in my perspective (as a total language novice, dare I say idiot) I would expect that a translator would refer to the Gospel of John (which I understand to be very simple Greek) for cues. " ...and the word was God..." is a definition of God that could indicate to the translator the proper way to translate other passages referring to God and his relation to the Word. "Of" supports the belief in the Efficacy of the Word. "About" does not.
I'm probably embarrassing myself here when I'm talking about translation of ancient languages, but it seems like the NNIV translators saw an opportunity to dilute the meaning of Scripture...and hit a homerun.
Please expound and expand on this, Dr. Jackson
Bored,
You have the right not to stand with them. If these people will only move because there are people behind them, then what is this but another political posturing.
Politicians are like that, they look at what the survey says and they position themselves where the crowd is heading, now is this becoming of ministers?
These people are too far from Ichabodians. Ichabodians have stood and have been maligned and been called names because of their anti-UOJ stance. Ichabodians have stood where they are not because there are so many people in that position, but because it is right and it is Biblical and Confessional.
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Just look at the personal confession of the men and women who translated the NNIV: http://www.niv-cbt.org/translators/
Not one of them has an official confession that does not pervert the Word of God. Not one of them hold a quia subscription to the BOC. And yet this is the translation the (W)ELS has chosen.
I laughed at a restraint sign that now seems to fit the convention discussion on the NNIV to a T. It said, "No senior citizen discounts. You've had twice as long to get the money." Likewise the apostate manipulation board, (W)ELS TEC, had 18 months to review and make a recommendation. Many of the laity had only a few months and they were able to determine that, in the NNIV, God's Word had been subjected to the dull blade of an enemy of Christ in order to produce such a rancid translation. Yet the TEC could only dismiss the errors of the NNIV, magnify any improvements over the equally deficient NIV '84 and attempt to manipulate, through the New Age Hegelian Consensus process, the decisions of the delegates. Instead of complimenting the TEC on the time they wasted on the NNIV there should have been a public lashing for their apostasy, incompetence and trickery. Uuugh! Wendland is the president of the (W)ELS seminary no less!
Yes Brett,
I have the books of this men in my shelves. Moo had Lutheran ancestry but who really could not get a clue what Lutheranism taught and he never bothered checking.
These are generic evangelicals. They are both Arminian and Calvinist backgrounds but guess what unites them; they are united in the believe that the HS is not in the Sacraments.
In effect, no means of grace.
NIV is not a translation it is a paraphrase and I can say the same will be for NNIV. NIV is responsible for dumbing down Christians, requiring that the level of terminology be adopted for Year 8.
I know of old people who never finished high school, yet they are more educated than the present generation. Why? Because they were not dumbed down.
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