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Thursday, January 21, 2016

SpenerQuest Circles the Drain.
Jay Webber Cites His Wretched Botch of an Essay.
What Would Luther Say?


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Rev. Guillaume Williams Sr. (Revhardheaded)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 - 8:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I think I need a broader context, but yes, avails is an important word there. Also, as we do not subscribe unconditionally to everything Luther wrote, nor do we to the orthodox fathers.
The Rev. Guillaume J. S. Williams, Sr
God justifies the ungodly. Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 
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David Bickel (Drb)
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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 7:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Yes, if “avails” means “benefits,” the quote may be accurate albeit incomplete in itself. The quote seems contrary to how Rev. Paul A. Rydecki tried to defend his position against 2 Cor. 5:19 here:
http://www.faithalonejustifies.com/wp-content/uplo ads/2013/01/Justification_UOJ_ProofTexts.pdf

Here’s another interesting quote:

> Posted on March 8, 2014 by Pastor Andrew Preus
> In arguing against the Huberian error that because Christ has redeemed all men he therefore elected all men, Hunnius maintains:
> But we respond from the start that we steadfastly teach that Christ, by the decree, counsel, ordination, good pleasure and command of the eternal Father, has freed each and every mortal, without any exception at any time or in any place, from sin, death and eternal damnation.
> ~ Aegius Hunnius, Theses Opposed to Huberianism: A Defense of the Lutheran Doctrine of Justification — Wittenberg, 1597, Translated by Paul A. Rydecki (Bynum, TX: Repristination Press, 2012), 51 (Thesis 152).

http://steadfastlutherans.org/2014/03/just-a-quote -from-hunnius/comment-page-2/
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David Jay Webber (Djw)
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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 9:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

The quotation from Hunnius's Thesis 152, to which Mark Preus drew attention, is indeed an important datum in understanding what Hunnius's views actually were. I also use that quotation on p. 34 of the essay on this subject that I delivered at last year's Emmaus Conference.