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Thursday, March 17, 2016

Ripped from the HTML Code of SpenerQuest.
Higher Things, Christ Hold Fast, Fake Pastor Price Connections


Can't all the UOJists get along?
ELCA is UOJ. LQ is UOJ.
Higher Things is UOJ.
Probably Hold Fast is,
because that is the default position of apostates.
Women's ordination and ELCA training a problem -
not for LQ Buddy Jay Webber.
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Pastor Rolf David Preus (Rolf)
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I went to their website and within a minute I ran across theological instruction from a woman and a defrocked former pastor.

Pastor Rolf David Preus

Rev. Robert Fischer (Fischer)
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http://www.christholdfast.org/contributors/

There are actually quite a few women represented, and the defrocked former pastor is Chad Bird (his background is no secret).

Daniel Gorman (Heinrich)
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"Donavon Riley is a Lutheran pastor, conference speaker, author, Online Content Director for Higher Things, serves on the Board of Directors for Christ Hold Fast, and is co-host of the podcasts 'All The Dirt on Church History,' and 'The Higher Things Simul Cast'. He is pastor of Saint John Lutheran Church in Webster, MN. He is the author of the blogs “The First Premise” and "Gnesio Lutheran." A graduate of Concordia Universities in St. Paul, Minnesota and Portland, Oregon, Pastor Riley received his seminary and post-graduate education at ELCA's Luther Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota. He colloquized into the LC-MS from the ELCA in 2008."
http://www.christholdfast.org/donavon/

Daniel Gorman (Heinrich)
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"Christ Hold Fast" is part of "1517 the Legacy Project" network. http://info.1517legacy.com/projects/

Are LCMS ministers/churches in fellowship with religious organizations under the "1517 the Legacy Project" umbrella? If yes, what is the nature of that fellowship?
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Bryan Prell (Bryn_conwy)
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Somewhat accidentally ran across this article; the very end has some direct connection to Pastor Riley:
http://www.pseudepigraph.us/2016/03/10/daniel-emer y-price-a-wolf-in-christs-pasture/
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Somewhat accidentally ran across this article; the very end has some direct connection to Pastor Riley:
http://www.pseudepigraph.us/2016/03/10/daniel-emer y-price-a-wolf-in-christs-pasture/
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Daniel Gorman (Heinrich)
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PSEUDEPIGRAPHUS blog: “Alternatively, we could all follow the lead of Higher Things’s online content director, the Rev’d Donavon Riley, and take selfies with as many fake Lutheran pastors as possible. Riley is a contributor at “Christ Hold Fast”, and appeared as a speaker at the February conference. The fact that LCMS pastors have been partnering with Price is distressing, to say the least. These pastors avoid the charge of unionism because events like the “Christ Hold Fast” conference don’t match the LCMS definition of ministry. Yet they certainly match the “radical grace” definition of ministry. This allows these pastors to follow the letter of the LCMS law while still giving every appearance to the non-Lutherans in attendance that they support and condone CHF, its conference, and the unionistic mission of Liberate which it carries on. How curiously legalistic.
The mendacity of Donavon Riley and the rest of Price’s enablers in the LCMS and elsewhere needs to be addressed. It will have to wait, though, for some other time.”

Daniel Price is a real pastor. He has been called by a congregation of Christians (Of the Power and Primacy of Bishops). Is Daniel Price a real “Lutheran” pastor? No. His church does not confess the Athanasian Creed. His church confesses only the AC of the BOC.

LCMS pastors are not bound by the letter of LCMS law. They are bound by the BOC which says, “…we will not make or receive a separate or new confession of our faith…” FC,SD, Comprehensive Summary. [GJ - How rich an irony, with the LQ invented UOJ creed.]

Christ Hold Fast makes a separate or new confession: http://www.christholdfast.org/about/. The Christ Hold Fast confession is not the BOC. Pastor Price’s public confession is not the BOC. Rev. Donavon Riley of Higher Things/LCMS is guilty of unionism (FC,SD, X).