Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The Cover Story versus The Facts":
Who is Brett Meyer? And what qualifies him more than anyone else to judge what the Bible has to say about justification and women participating in the worship service? It's not enough to say "I'm right and you're wrong." Show us your credentials, Brett.
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GJ - This is funnier than Anonymous saying, "You are a gutless coward." All the nasty, vindictive, and obscene comments come from Anonymous. I am sure there are a few of them with that pen name. What qualifies them? I post the comments to show what Church and Change has done for WELS.
I also get long, Scripture-filled statements on my need to repent, signed Anonymous.
When I quote the false teachers verbatim, Anonymous tells me this is a violation of the Eighth Commandment and Matthew 18. However, Anonymous knows exactly what is going on in my mind, reading my evil thoughts, and denouncing me for those imagined thoughts, feelings, and motivations.
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More toxic waste from--you guessed it--Anonymous:
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Question of the Year, From Anonymous":
My guess is, GJ, that those who don't sign their name have known you in the past. They know what kind of person you are, they know how twisted your reasoning can be, and they know how you have ruined reputations first in Christian News and now on your blog. Can you blame them for not signing their name? Everyone who has known you realizes exactly what you would do to their reputation. Don't act so naive.
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GJ - Several things drive these people wild:
- They do not like being found out or quoted, and quotations are my speciality.
- They hate citations from Luther, Chemnitz, Chytraeus, and the Book of Concord.
- They loathe the laity who have figured them out. For instance, marketing specialists know that the Shrinkers are just dabbling in marketing.
- They believe, but their hides bristle (Epistle of James).
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Question of the Year, From Anonymous":
(DEEP RESONATING VOICE)Who is Anonymous? Who beckons me forth to show my credentials?
Dear Anonymous, you ask, "what qualifies (Brett)... to judge what the Bible has to say about Justification and women (reading the liturgy) in the worship service?"
First, I'm not judging Scripture but the false doctrine of wolves who, wrapped in the freshly shorn wool of young souls, teach and practice against the Word of God. It is Pastor Schewe and his ilk that say God's Word, Christ, is unclear and grey. The very source of all Christian doctrine and the very Word of God, which is the supreme Judge and Foundation of Christian faith, has been declared muddy and uncertain by these false teachers.
Second, 1 John 4:1 says, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." Beloved refers to everyone who by grace, through faith, trusts alone in Christ for the forgiveness of sins. This is my confession and as such am included in 'Beloved' and intend to test the spirits whether they are of God. I will also speak openly, using my name, because I am confident that I confess the Words of Scripture and Christian doctrine as declared to all men in the Bible and correctly explained in the unaltered Lutheran Confessions. If I know that I speak and confess Christ's doctrines how can I not boldly do so using my real name and reject the shame that comes from fearing what the world may do to me because of my confession.
Third, I'm not the first to make these confessions of Christian faith concerning women teaching the congregation in the Divine Service. Martin Luther states in “Lectures on 1 Timothy” (Luther’s Works, Vol. 28) 1 Tim. 2:11. “Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I believe that Paul is still speaking about public matters. I also want it to refer to the public ministry, which occurs in the public assembly of the church. There a woman must be completely quiet, because she should remain a hearer and not become a teacher. She is not to be the spokesman among the people. She should refrain from teaching, from praying (ie: leading in prayer) in public. She has the command to speak at home. This passage makes a woman subject. It takes from her all public office and authority.” The Confessions condemn UOJ as enthusiasm and the quotes supporting this are endless and can be found on Ichabod.
Fourth, although Walther taught the miserable doctrine of UOJ he did provide a faithful sermon on this very subject. Walther, "Oh my friends, if you had recognized some time ago, that the office of judge belongs by right to you, you would not have fallen into such great and so many errors. Your preachers went the way of error, and in false trust in man you followed them without first examining them. How sad the results have been! Therefore, know and guard your rights; examine everything and keep what is good. This, however, leads me to the second point of our meditation. It is this: If the judgment over the shepherds belongs to the sheep, they have to know the true doctrine and be certain of it."
Now this is just to Anonymous - you need to read this sermon. http://www.cfwwalther.com/heck/walther13.htm
In Christ,
Brett Meyer
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Ayn Rand has left a new comment on your post "Question of the Year, From Anonymous":
And tell the "original" Anonymous poster to stop stealing the opening lines of my novels.
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Stan Eukrich has left a new comment on your post "Question of the Year, From Anonymous":
I'm glad people are seizing on this useless ad hominem stuff.
Credentials? How about "literacy" for a start? I'll cook for a large party and someone will ask me, "How do you know how to cook so well?" Usually I just say, "I can read." Mr. Meyer can also read--you know, that thing we're encouraged to do with the Scriptures? It's really as simple as that.
I wish I had grown up reading the Confessions...I was WELS-educated from first to twelfth grade and I don't think I could've spelled "Concord" if you spotted me "C-n-c-r-d."
Incidentally, Acts 17 does not tell us the Bereans presented credentials to St. Paul, though this may be an argument from silence...
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KJV Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. 13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Question of the Year, From Anonymous":
Keep writing GJ and Brett. Everyone is able to read your vile bile and get a good sense of the sickness that permeates you both. When you have some time, paste a picture of Brett and yourself onto the southern ends of the north-bound horses. That's where they belong. You both are horse hinies and play the role equally well! Brett is not even a pretend pastor like you, Greg? He is pretty impressive! Maybe you should award him an Ichabod Jr. badge of honor!
Now, I've got to go. I'm going to make sure my wife gets the singing out her system at home, so she does not utter a sound at worship this week - you understand, that sillence thing! Shhhhhhh! Or, maybe humming is allowed since no one would confuse it with teaching? I'm going to see what Luther and Walther wrote about it. Maybe it is ok, so long as no guitar is involved? What about kazoos, are they liturgically neutral? I'm soooooooo confused!
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I. J. Reilly has left a new comment on your post "Question of the Year, From Anonymous":
I'm a bit of a newbie to this site, but I've noticed that most of the people who post do so anonymously, no matter which "side" they happen to be on. Are those on G.J.'s "side" who post anonymously doing so because they are afraid of "the other side," or are they doing so because they are afraid they'll eventually post something that will draw the ire of Gregory the Great, the Pope of Bethany? I suspect that it may be the latter.
I can't do what ten people tell me to do, so I guess I'll remain the same.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Question of the Year, From Anonymous":
I have an idea. If you would openly allow all posts to your blog be seen, without censorship or first needing approval, I am sure more people would openly post NON-anonymously.
Try it.
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GJ - You betcha. I should let obscene material through, cussing, foul words. I am sure people would start putting their real names on those messages. They are not random messages either. They are clearly partisan, from the Church and Changers.
Also, I get messages designed merely to promote a blog or website. There is already enough spam out there.
I have an idea - start your own blog and follow your rules. Soon the potheads, dweebs, stoners, and crackheads will beat a path to your URL.
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Huh?
My guess is, GJ, that those who don't sign their name have known you in the past. They know what kind of person you are, they know how twisted your reasoning can be, and they know how you have ruined reputations first in Christian News and now on your blog. Can you blame them for not signing their name? Everyone who has known you realizes exactly what you would do to their reputation. Don't act so naive.
(DEEP RESONATING VOICE)Who is Anonymous? Who beckons me forth to show my credentials?
Dear Anonymous, you ask, "what qualifies (Brett)... to judge what the Bible has to say about Justification and women (reading the liturgy) in the worship service?"
First, I'm not judging Scripture but the false doctrine of wolves who, wrapped in the freshly shorn wool of young souls, teach and practice against the Word of God. It is Pastor Schewe and his ilk that say God's Word, Christ, is unclear and grey. The very source of all Christian doctrine and the very Word of God, which is the supreme Judge and Foundation of Christian faith, has been declared muddy and uncertain by these false teachers.
Second, 1 John 4:1 says, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." Beloved refers to everyone who by grace, through faith, trusts alone in Christ for the forgiveness of sins. This is my confession and as such am included in 'Beloved' and intend to test the spirits whether they are of God. I will also speak openly, using my name, because I am confident that I confess the Words of Scripture and Christian doctrine as declared to all men in the Bible and correctly explained in the unaltered Lutheran Confessions. If I know that I speak and confess Christ's doctrines how can I not boldly do so using my real name and reject the shame that comes from fearing what the world may do to me because of my confession.
Third, I'm not the first to make these confessions of Christian faith concerning women teaching the congregation in the Divine Service. Martin Luther states in “Lectures on 1 Timothy” (Luther’s Works, Vol. 28) 1 Tim. 2:11. “Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I believe that Paul is still speaking about public matters. I also want it to refer to the public ministry, which occurs in the public assembly of the church. There a woman must be completely quiet, because she should remain a hearer and not become a teacher. She is not to be the spokesman among the people. She should refrain from teaching, from praying (ie: leading in prayer) in public. She has the command to speak at home. This passage makes a woman subject. It takes from her all public office and authority.” The Confessions condemn UOJ as enthusiasm and the quotes supporting this are endless and can be found on Ichabod.
Fourth, although Walther taught the miserable doctrine of UOJ he did provide a faithful sermon on this very subject. Walther, "Oh my friends, if you had recognized some time ago, that the office of judge belongs by right to you, you would not have fallen into such great and so many errors. Your preachers went the way of error, and in false trust in man you followed them without first examining them. How sad the results have been! Therefore, know and guard your rights; examine everything and keep what is good. This, however, leads me to the second point of our meditation. It is this: If the judgment over the shepherds belongs to the sheep, they have to know the true doctrine and be certain of it."
Now this is just to Anonymous - you need to read this sermon. http://www.cfwwalther.com/heck/walther13.htm
In Christ,
Brett Meyer
Anon May 6, 2009 4:45 PM,
There, take that you sniveling excuse for a man.
GJ, my guess is Brett Meyer has never met you. Maybe he should move to Phoenix and you could be his pastor for a while. I bet he would want nothing to do with you after a month or two.
The only thing transparent in WELS are members of the Wolf Pack in their sanctimonious words and actions.
And tell the "original" Anonymous poster to stop stealing the opening lines of my novels.
I'm glad people are seizing on this useless ad hominem stuff.
Credentials? How about "literacy" for a start? I'll cook for a large party and someone will ask me, "How do you know how to cook so well?" Usually I just say, "I can read." Mr. Meyer can also read--you know, that thing we're encouraged to do with the Scriptures? It's really as simple as that.
I wish I had grown up reading the Confessions...I was WELS-educated from first to twelfth grade and I don't think I could've spelled "Concord" if you spotted me "C-n-c-r-d."
Incidentally, Acts 17 does not tell us the Bereans presented credentials to St. Paul, though this may be an argument from silence...
Who ruins reputations? Just try openly criticizing Holy Mother Synod and see what happens to your reputation.
Keep writing GJ and Brett. Everyone is able to read your vile bile and get a good sense of the sickness that permeates you both. When you have some time, paste a picture of Brett and yourself onto the southern ends of the north-bound horses. That's where they belong. You both are horse hinies and play the role equally well! Brett is not even a pretend pastor like you, Greg? He is pretty impressive! Maybe you should award him an Ichabod Jr. badge of honor!
Now, I've got to go. I'm going to make sure my wife gets the singing out her system at home, so she does not utter a sound at worship this week - you understand, that sillence thing! Shhhhhhh! Or, maybe humming is allowed since no one would confuse it with teaching? I'm going to see what Luther and Walther wrote about it. Maybe it is ok, so long as no guitar is involved? What about kazoos, are they liturgically neutral? I'm soooooooo confused!
Anonymous at 6:50pm, are you willing to specifically post and discuss exactly what 'vile bile' I've written that you disagree with and why?
By the way, I've taken your comments in the best possible way and now have a definite feeling we could be best friends. (BFF's if you will)
LOL! Ayn Rand is undead, just when we need her! Of course, before Rand, we had Isabel Patterson, who inspired Rand. Rand and Patterson split because of the latter retained her Christian faith and her support of the moral, free marketplace.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/cox3.html
Stan: well said.
Brett: By the spitball response, it seems you needled a touchy nerve ending. Well done. If I could, I'd donate for your use a fillet knife or chainsaw on the next round. :-)
They can squawk all they want about what they *want* Scripture to really mean if they read between the lines and take the third derivative of faulty logic (X really means Y, and Y really should be thought of as Z, and everyone knows Z is a good idea...)
They spit and curse you, brother, but let their challenges of Scripture confound their addled minds. As Luther said in the table talks, the Bible survived Caesars, kings, and lesser tyrants that tried to destroy it, but they could never prevail.
They cannot abrogate Scripture's clear meaning and the expositions by our church fathers.
+Diet O. Worms
The pompous standard-bearer must be another product of the Sausage Factory.
I'm a bit of a newbie to this site, but I've noticed that most of the people who post do so anonymously, no matter which "side" they happen to be on. Are those on G.J.'s "side" who post anonymously doing so because they are afraid of "the other side," or are they doing so because they are afraid they'll eventually post something that will draw the ire of Gregory the Great, the Pope of Bethany? I suspect that it may be the latter.
I can't do what ten people tell me to do, so I guess I'll remain the same.
I have an idea. If you would openly allow all posts to your blog be seen, without censorship or first needing approval, I am sure more people would openly post NON-anonymously.
Try it.
Good idea but that won't happen. GJ would not be able to slant the content in his direction. It's his playground so he can make the rules.
Terrible idea and absurd to think that allowing all posts, willy nilly, would cause anyone to be more willing to post their name. Do you think that those opposed to Pastor Jackson's confession would begin to show Scriptural and Confessional proof that their position is correct when they don't do it now?
Slant the content? Another absurd remark. Speak to the point, defend your doctrine and practice and see if you're posted. Leave out the vulgar language though.
TO: Brett
FROM: Anonymous with a deep resonating voice (love it!)
SUBJ: Clever but not convincing
You haven't answered the question. All you've done is quote select verses of Scripture, asserted that they back up your position - which they really don't - and essentially claimed that God agrees with you (not the other way around).
Please share how you have achieved the position of greater authority you assume in your comments. Were you confirmed in the Lutheran church? Has your personal Bible study greatly exceeded that of the typical church member? Have you taken classes at a seminary or studied under someone with theological training? In short, describe the path that has led to the superior Bible "literacy" that gives you the ability to teach the rest of us. (Reading this blog doesn't count.)
This is not a "Church & Change" attempt to discredit you. It is an effort to understand how you feel you can speak with so much more authority and boldness than a trained pastor. No, you can't say you have read Scripture correctly and the pastor hasn't. That's equivalent to saying "I'm right because I said so." Your argument has to be something more than a long list of quotations, aka the "carpet bombing" approach to debate.
Some sort of exegesis would be nice. But the comments section of a blog is not the best forum for that, is it? And it is certainly not the place to air personal grievances with your former pastor and congregation.
No, I am not a WELS pastor. Not a product of the WELS educational system. Not a lifelong WELS member. Not a fan or member of Church & Change. Been to Seattle, but don't live there.
[Side note to Stan Eukrich - lots of people can read recipes, but not everyone can cook. It's not an "ad hominem" argument to ask someone to explain their credentials when they are challenging others in authority. For all we know, Brett has a Babtist background that colors his doctrinal understanding. I'd want to know that before I sit at his feet to learn.]
Just askin'
Just askin',
I believe I did answer the question by showing how it is a baseless since it assumes I believe personally or have stated outwardly that I have greater authority than everyone else. I have done neither. The question of credentials also implies that within Christ's Church there are some with more authority than others. That someone needs to have attained something other than being a Christian priest through Word and water. All Christians are priests in equal degree. 1 Peter 2:9, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;" This includes all Christians.
I have quoted the false teachers with whom I have had direct communication on doctrinal matters. I have a tendency to leave their quotes as is without my personal comments because I believe that the false statements and error they promote is quite obvious. It was very clear in the quotations I posted that these false teachers do not believe God's Word teaches unless it is being presented by a Pastor. This is false doctrine and people need to know that it is prevelant and growing within the Lutheran churches.
Just askin', you state, "All you've done is quote select verses of Scripture, asserted that they back up your position - which they really don't - and essentially claimed that God agrees with you" Your contention that I've 'essentially' claimed that God agrees with me is false. I posted above, "I am confident that I confess the Words of Scripture and Christian doctrine as declared to all men in the Bible and correctly explained in the unaltered Lutheran Confessions. If I know that I speak and confess Christ's doctrines how can I not boldly do so…" Your irritation at what I've said is causing you to assume to much. Do you see where you are doing exactly what you accuse me of? You say that the Scripture I quote doesn't back up my position - but you fail to show me why it doesn't. Lead by example and be consistent. Show me by Scripture and the Confessions why I am wrong. You only come with your personal accusations and assumptions. At least post Scripture so that everyone can see and judge your whole contention.
You also state, "In short, describe the path that has led to the superior Bible "literacy" that gives you the ability to teach the rest of us." I'm a bit surprised that you would take offence at my quoting Scripture and pointing out the false doctrines being promoted within the Lutheran Synods. As I've said before, all Christians have the authority from Christ to teach and preach the pure Word. Matt 28:19-20, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." And Hebrews 3:12-13, "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" You see, someone can come into your midst with all the credentials any of you could desire and if he taught falsely concerning God's Word he is no more fit to teach than the Pope himself. But if a young child were to walk up to you and teach the pure Word of God, having no outward credentials, those Words of God should be listened to and obeyed.
Just askin' states, "It is an effort to understand how you feel you can speak with so much more authority and boldness than a trained pastor. No, you can't say you have read Scripture correctly and the pastor hasn't. That's equivalent to saying "I'm right because I said so." Your argument has to be something more than a long list of quotations," I speak with authority and boldness because I what I am saying is God's Word as found in the Scriptures and Lutheran Confessions (the reason why I quote them). You also judge me against the actions of trained pastors as though they are the guage according to which all things are judged. This is wrong, judge all things by the Word. And where is the boldness of trained pastors? They are unwilling to even post their names on this blog for fear even though they say they are speaking God's Words. Judge me against those actions and of course it will look like I’m arrogant and bold beyond measure. How absurd. Be offended at my quoting Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions with boldness and the authority which Christ gives to his whole Christian Church. That reaction in itself has definite implications.
Boldly in Christ,
Brett Meyer
I suggest reading and testing Luther's comments on Gender and the Ministry: . http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/djw/lutherantheology.gender.html
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